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Feb 19 2020 08:30am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Feb 19 2020 10:23am)
Besides "trump also bad" what exactly is the point of the comparison? I keep asking this question and no ones answering it.

Does Trump being a bad judge of character and having criminals around him somehow validate CNN doing so? I mean if that's your point own up to it, otherwise explain it?


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No, the point is youre using a lower set of standards to judge the most powerful man in the world than you are using to judge a for profit news agency.


Already told you the point. Try reading
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Feb 19 2020 08:37am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 19 2020 09:30am)
Already told you the point. Try reading


Except i never excused Trump. Pointing to Trump being a bad judge of character to invalidate criticism against CNN is lol worthy. Nice 'no u' argument.

I guess now we can all dive to deviant behavior because someone we don't like did it first.
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Feb 19 2020 08:42am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Feb 19 2020 10:37am)
Except i never excused Trump. Pointing to Trump being a bad judge of character to invalidate criticism against CNN is lol worthy. Nice 'no u' argument.

I guess now we can all dive to deviant behavior because someone we don't like did it first.


You have yet to acknowledge that Trump did anything wrong even when specifically asked to and still support him even though hes done worse and is in a much higher position.

Also you havent substantiated that CNN could have had any way of knowing avenatti was doing something bad. Just some general "they have resources" talk.
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Feb 19 2020 08:49am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 19 2020 09:42am)
You have yet to acknowledge that Trump did anything wrong even when specifically asked to and still support him even though hes done worse and is in a much higher position.

Also you havent substantiated that CNN could have had any way of knowing avenatti was doing something bad. Just some general "they have resources" talk.


I don't have to acknowledge what Trump did was bad to criticize CNN. What a fucking weird way to think about the world.

If you criticize Trump for having people get arrested in his administration do you also have to simultaneously acknowledge that someone in Obama's, Bush's, Clinton's, etc. administrations also got arrested?

It's CNN's job to know considering they are a very large news disseminator. No wonder journalism standards are where they are today considering people like you defend them when they make poor judgement calls to fit a narrative.
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Feb 19 2020 09:03am
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/483600-the-hills-review-of-john-solomons-columns-on-ukraine

The Hill finished its 'review' of throwing John Solomon under the bus, then backing up and driving over him again a few times until only a chunky salsa remains

Reading through it, they didn't find a single consequential fact to confirm or deny anything Solomon wrote or even the 2017 Politico article that laid out the Ukraine ledger. They found a single translation error over whether Lutsenko said that Yovanovitch provided a written list, or whether she provided a verbal list which he wrote down. Talk about splitting hairs. If they can devote a whole paragraph to something that inconsequential and not have any other errors, its clear they searched hard and found nothing. Instead their only gripes are over how to label columns as 'news' or 'opinions', as if every journalist in America isn't blending the two right now, and that columns sometimes neglected full disclosure of every personal connection Solomon had- a great aspiration for sure, but a double standard.

What's really damning here is that without any additional facts, The Hill's staff have decided that Joe Biden did nothing wrong, that Shokin was corrupt and the people who fired him weren't, that seeking his ouster was legitimate policy and there was no conflict of interest. What's particularly absurd is that they regurgitate uncritically the DNC talking point that "Russia interfered, not Ukraine" and that anyone asserting Ukraine interfered is pushing a Russian narrative. They present that same brainless false dichotomy as if only one foreign country in the entire world is capable of influencing domestic US politics at a time. Just look at this crap:

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Contradicting assertions in Solomon's columns, in Politico and in some other media reports, State Department officials, U.S. national security agencies and the Senate Intelligence Committee have concluded that Ukraine did not meddle in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Russian government officials, who have denied meddling in the 2016 election, have pushed the narrative that Ukraine interfered in that U.S. election.


They don't contradict anything in the Politico article they hyperlink to, they don't deny any of the facts presented, they don't declare whether the story about the Ukrainian embassy passing the Manafort ledger to the DNC / Clinton campaign is true or false, or whether the ledger was real or manufactured. Without contradicting a single fact in that story, they arbitrarily declare that Ukraine did not meddle in the 2016 election. Even though if the facts in that story are true, then by definition Ukraine meddled in the 2016 presidential election. And the same "officials" who denied that were the ones testifying to try to impeach Trump, including people personally involved in that same interference and Joe Biden's actions in Ukraine. Which again, were denials made without denying any of the facts.

Its this absurd situation where an argument-from-authority can declare that John Solomon's reporting and the Politico article about Ukraine are both false narratives, without denying anything they say or finding any errors.

I don't see how anyone can pretend that sending a ledger of Manafort's finances to the opposing political campaign when Manafort was Trump's campaign manager, for the explicit purpose of trying to undermine his election, could possibly be construed as anything other than election interference. You can deny it happened, you can rationalize whether it was justified or not, you can figure out whether it was real or forged contents. But you can't say that there was no election interference if you won't deny it happened. Those two can't coexist. Its like saying you deny that JFK was murdered, but accept that a bullet was fired and entered his head and splattered his brains. Which is called murder.

This is what passes for journalism in 2020. They accidentally printed daring investigative content, now the establishment has decided they had too much to think. You can't call yourself journalists and then declare that anything US state department officials declare is the truth, the contradictory facts your investigators uncovered be damned.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Feb 19 2020 09:04am
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Feb 19 2020 09:14am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Feb 19 2020 10:49am)
I don't have to acknowledge what Trump did was bad to criticize CNN. What a fucking weird way to think about the world.

If you criticize Trump for having people get arrested in his administration do you also have to simultaneously acknowledge that someone in Obama's, Bush's, Clinton's, etc. administrations also got arrested?

It's CNN's job to know considering they are a very large news disseminator. No wonder journalism standards are where they are today considering people like you defend them when they make poor judgement calls to fit a narrative.


When you criticize CNN but not an active president who did the same thing it shows youre full of shit. You dont actually care about integrity, you care about towing the party line.
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Feb 19 2020 10:47am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Feb 19 2020 08:49am)
I don't have to acknowledge what Trump did was bad to criticize CNN. What a fucking weird way to think about the world.

If you criticize Trump for having people get arrested in his administration do you also have to simultaneously acknowledge that someone in Obama's, Bush's, Clinton's, etc. administrations also got arrested?

It's CNN's job to know considering they are a very large news disseminator. No wonder journalism standards are where they are today considering people like you defend them when they make poor judgement calls to fit a narrative.


if news was properly vetted at the mainstream level stories just wouldnt be printed. and the news audience would move on to youtube commentators, amateur twitter investigators, political bloggers, and gossip columns.

constantly ragging on them for just operating in the 2020 meta of what internet + media equals out to is stupid. you're just ragging on them for existing. if they do what you call journalistic integrity they'll die, no one wants that. take a fucking look around lol. then we'll be in an even worse place with anonymous or 15 mins of fame news sources with zero accountability even to commercial sponsors.

sometimes when i look at how terrible people from my generation are at technology i can only cringe. or just admit you're just shitposting on the party line, because your position is peak boomer mentality from the type of person who needs to call someone to open up task manager. this "we can demand integrity from journalism" shit might as well be "if we carthorse drivers band together Henry Ford will lose". read a damn book.
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Feb 19 2020 01:20pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 19 2020 09:42am)
You have yet to acknowledge that Trump did anything wrong even when specifically asked to and still support him even though hes done worse and is in a much higher position.

Also you havent substantiated that CNN could have had any way of knowing avenatti was doing something bad. Just some general "they have resources" talk.




You honestly didn't "know" that Avenatti was a slime bucket? He takes, as a client, a pornstar vs. the POTUS, and that didn't give it away?


/e And as for CNN you have to look no further than their market share to see they are out in left field. They've gone from being the go to news source to... might as well call themselves National Enquirer, in 2-3 years.

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Quote (Ghot @ Feb 19 2020 01:20pm)
You honestly didn't "know" that Avenatti was a slime bucket? He takes, as a client, a pornstar vs. the POTUS, and that didn't give it away?


/e And as for CNN you have to look no further than their market share to see they are out in left field.


slimeballs can say correct things sometimes, source: anytime you've said something correct.
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Feb 19 2020 03:02pm
Quote (Ghot @ Feb 19 2020 11:20am)
You honestly didn't "know" that Avenatti was a slime bucket? He takes, as a client, a pornstar vs. the POTUS, and that didn't give it away?


/e And as for CNN you have to look no further than their market share to see they are out in left field. They've gone from being the go to news source to... might as well call themselves National Enquirer, in 2-3 years.



All this and FOX is more of a shit show. Bitch about them to show your distaste for “fake news”
Oh wait....
it’s only fake news you disagree with or as you would say alternate facts

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