Both Germany and Japan did terrible things in the war. In war, countries do terrible things.

Japan: i am appalled by the dropping of the atomic bomb on a city, never mind on two cities. It is my personal belief that our species is not ready for these types of weapons but that these weapons will be used again, terribly, in my life time. That is my response relating to Japan.

Germany: Relating to Germany, as I understand it, and I am not an expert on the matter, the bombing of Dresden left that city in complete ruins and the sheer volume of bombs dropped was something never seen before. I understand that it was war time and difficult decisions (you can also use the expression "terrible decisions") were made all round (by all round, I mean by both/all sides).

If you want to compare what the allies did to Japan and Germany (the bombing of civilian targets, while noting that Japan and Germany did terrible things in the war) to what Israel is doing today, go ahead, but I won't. I dont like to compare anything to WW2 and I have already read alot of anti-Semitic comments (and worse) in this thread. When in doubt, I will post this image:



In brief, as understand it, Israel has had serious confrontations for decades now.
Bombing any civilian cities is in my view, simply wrong.
Gaza has people in it. Not animals.

I dont want to post in this topic too much as I accept that it is a very delicate topic for alot of people. I just dont see waging war on Gaza as being a final solution to the problem that exists in the region, I see this war as rather the catalyst for more long term problems. For that reason I am against the invasion of Gaza and feel that Israel would be far better off trying to extend an olive branch then dropping 1000's more bombs.

TLDR: we all deplore the terrorist attack which led to this, but this is going too far now and most countries in the world are saying WTF.

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 18 2023 05:25pm

Why would we be appalled at that number? Hamas committed a terrorist attack, intentionally targeting civilians for kidnapping, rape, torture, and murder. Israel's response to bomb Hamas targets in Gaza is an entirely rational and legitimate military response. As long as Israel is intending to drop bombs on military targets, the resultant loss of innocent life is acceptable, and the moral blame belongs to the group of terrorists that the Palestinians allow to control Gaza.

If Israel were to launch a proportional response, they would intentionally target civilians and civilian deaths would be much worse.

Sounds like some highbrow conservative forums. We don't have any of those right-wingers here.

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Nobody supports Captain Poopy-pants....Jack. (licks ice cream)

I consider myself a center left critic of Biden and I think he's done fantastic so far too. No missteps by Biden at all in his response so far which is actually kind of mystifying after Afghanistan. He's been very engaged this time around, but failed neither in being too militant nor too lax

Handlers are doing a good job. Seen a few interviews with Blinken and he has looked solid, which pains me to say because I don't really like the neocon cabal.

I've said a few times that this conflict and the progressives response to it is tinged by the fundamental poison of "belief in no personal accountability". Its the same vein of theory that slavery and generational trauma excuses any carjackings and robberies by black youths in the present. That someone indoctrinated into radical Islam is just a victim of their upbringing and need our understanding and compassion. That any atrocities they commit are just chickens coming home to roost for historical grievances they claim. And of course, this apologism only ever flows in one direction, for their favored groups- never for the 'generational trauma' of Jews or Settlers

Its not that the position makes no sense or is ridiculous. Its actually worse for the fact it obeys an internal consistency

Maybe it's because he believes in this.

This post was edited by IceMage on Oct 18 2023 11:43pm