Quote (lodd222 @ May 28 2022 02:25pm)

the word of god may be alive but the bible is not the alive word. the bible is the dead works which requires a live spirit to discern, in that spirit of prophecy it is then made live,scripture itself confirms this notion. the alive word made the spirit and man which then makes true testimony(can include bible). Jesus made testimony by being the live word. they documented this testimony via scripture and then in the bible as a collection of scriptural works. the spirit of discernment(holy spirit) helps you to understand what is most accurate vs altered or (untrue).

So basically the bible is a collection of scripture by the work of men inspired by god's spirit. No where in scripture does it mention composing scripture for a bible. scripture within the bible itself states that scripture is good for reproof, editing, and challenging wisdom. Scripture within the bible says that jesus did enough things to fill up all books which means the bible is not everything.
Jesus didn't preach from the bible because he had the living spirit of truth which is expected of all true christians. satan wants you w/o the spirit worshipping the book so you fail to achieve salvation, repentence, and understanding that you will pay if you sin. Jesus died so you could be forgiven, not so you wouldn't pay a price. If you sin you pay that price your consciousness and the holy spirit make you feel it. Sexual sins beguile the conscious, moral law is still in place jesus didn't die so you could be immoral, he died so you could be immortal and moral. the comforter is there to improve the soul and manage sin instead of just living in old testament fear or inaction. Greater evil required greater action and thus remedy for failure(sin).

They worship the bible only because it's a satanic trick that also allows people who don't have the "holy spirit" to be decieved.
If bible or scripture is correct in its most relevant assertions then technically you are jesus or "jesuis" if you have the holy spirit that he would have left for you. I would confirm this notion.
So it would be silly to worship jesus if you are connected by one of jesus 7 spirits. This is why he said dont bow or externalize him, but rather be one with him as a brother. Externalizing god especially by a book or bible is satanism. however, to worship jesus alone is to neglect the gift of the holy spirit which was left so you would not be alone.
They worshipped jesus before the holy spirit was made manifest by his defeat of satan. The holy spirit was the remedy for satan's disobedient spirit as a former messenger and son of god.
therefore you cannot blaspheme it and be forgiven because it does not have agency to forgive you, if it had agency or free will apart from god's infrastructure then it could be like satan which it cannot since it was the remedy against sin. True Jesus worship took place before he died but during his arrival. The holy spirit(comforter) was allegedly his gift you were/are to worship, not jesus himself though jesus himself made it possible. Jesus was intercession for YHWH, the holy spirit was your guide since neither jesus or YHWH could dwell with man indefinitely especially after his death(if bible/scripture is correct about that claim)

So now you can see, it depends alot about the integrity of scriptures claims. However if the spirit is with you then scripture and some parts of the bible can help you to see and reaffirm that satan is ruler of the earth. Scripture/bible fails at specifying many things including sins of the body, outlining sins, has no images and is a very rought outline overall. technically you should be writing your own scripture and testament in a "do greater things than me" fashion unless a specific scripture says not to add(if you believe it).
The true church of jesus would then be a much more concise bible detailing and calibrating the inner world to the outer but instead you just have rehashes of the same thing w/ no real filling in of the gaps which lends to the fact its a very controlled way to limit your view of truth.

The bible is mostly now a way to book control christians while aetheism and evol-ution is a science book way for the unbelievers.
'catan' has both ends covered unfortunately. It's called "go-spell" for a reason ~ Don't buy into the repetition of select fabricated verses either that many churches use for song.
Song is living its something thats spontaneous to only have rehearsal and reptition is again to be dead in the spirit(yeast or leaven or sin creates loops).

The bible is obviously prophecy however living testament, art, and any book for that matter can also be if one has that spirit of discernment. It's just easy to use the bible because so many are familiar with it vs a book or concept they may have never heard/read culturally speaking.

The "gift" of jesus is living in the "present" in order to do good and prevent evil, not worshipping dead works from the past in of themselves(bible thomping).
Unfortunately bible worship has allowed hell to pour in but less than scientism for sure.
bible is the right, atheism is the left. both are flawed.

TLDR worshipping the bible is like worshipping the stone or the commandments over God who gave them.
You do not need to know the bible, or jesus' name to be of the holy spirit or a benevolent/good person doing the work of the true god as a spiritual son of god.
What i'm suggesting is that the true church of god would be adding detail to the bible as scripture lest you say the spirit is dead and man can no longer be living in truth and good works.
This is self evident to anyone of the true god imo, especially the saints.

Quote (CPK001 @ May 28 2022 12:57am)

So what you are basically trying to say is that The Bible is untrustworthy?

Quote (CPK001 @ May 28 2022 03:57am)

So what you are basically trying to say is that The Bible is untrustworthy?

Quote (xfrodobagginsx @ May 31 2022 09:18pm)

The Bible is God's Word. Every word is inspired by God Himself via the Holy Spirit. Of course we don't worship the Bible, we worship Christ, but the Bible is the word of Christ. CPK001 is completely wrong whstaen he says that Jesus didn't preach from the Bible. Jesus was constantly preaching from the Bible and expected us to both know it and obey it. The Bible is God's instruction on how a Christian is to live his life. To call it brainwashing is to be ignorant of what the Bible is about. And yes there is power in the name of Jesus Christ, that's in the Bible too. CPK001 is leading you wrong. He is the blind leading the blind. Don't listen to him.

Quote (xfrodobagginsx @ Jun 1 2022 02:18pm)

The Bible is God's Word. Every word is inspired by God Himself via the Holy Spirit. Of course we don't worship the Bible, we worship Christ, but the Bible is the word of Christ. CPK001 is completely wrong whstaen he says that Jesus didn't preach from the Bible. Jesus was constantly preaching from the Bible and expected us to both know it and obey it. The Bible is God's instruction on how a Christian is to live his life. To call it brainwashing is to be ignorant of what the Bible is about. And yes there is power in the name of Jesus Christ, that's in the Bible too. CPK001 is leading you wrong. He is the blind leading the blind. Don't listen to him.

Quote (lodd222 @ Jun 1 2022 03:01am)

So you're suggesting that the bible breathed life into man? because according to the bible god's word breathed life into man. I would callthe bible as works allegedly inspired by god & a book of useful & divine prophecy.
Jesus wasn't preaching from the bible he was preaching as a living man of god. If you need a book formly owned by a porn distributor to tell you the truth you are infact brainwashed unfortunately.

If the bible is god's instruction on how to live a complete life then it's clearly one of bible worshipping and wordly satanism. Which is the fruit its been enabling..

IF you changed your name you wouldn't be any more or less of a person. If so on earth how much more in heaven frodo?
The name actually has no power, the power is within yourself when aligning w/ jesus which is a spirit, soul and essence above any specific label you could apply.
Does one have to speak english in order to have jesus' power? Why not swiss? it too has holes in its theory.

you're still under the spell of the go-spel.when the carpenter confuses his tools with himself he knows not himself.

theres a carpenter who honors nature by making things that are good from it like nail-less japanese houses that last forever & there's a carpenter who tears down trees to print pages that promote more tearing down.

discern between the two.

Quote (xfrodobagginsx @ Jun 1 2022 08:15pm)

No, but Jesus Christ is the Word of God & The Bible is the Words of God written down for us. According to the Bible, GOD breathed life into man. The Bible doesn't say "God's Word breathed life into man" FALSE. Jesus DID Preach the Bible and He did it often. Why are you saying that? Jesus expected us to know, believe and obey the Bible because they are HIS Words. Jesus frequently used the phrase "It is written" When teaching the Bible, proving that Jesus expected us to believe it and know it.


Mt 2:5 And they said to him, In Bethlehem of Judea. For so it is written by the prophet,
Mt 4:4 But He answered and said, It is written, "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God."
Mt 4:6 And he said to Him, If you are the Son of God, cast yourself down. For it is written, "He shall give His angels charge concerning You, and in their hands they shall bear You up, lest at any time You dash Your foot against a stone."
Mt 4:7 Jesus said to him, It is written again, "You shall not tempt the Lord your God."
Mt 4:10 Then Jesus said to him, Go, Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve."
Mt 11:10 For this is the one of whom it is written, "Behold, I send My messenger before Your face, who shall prepare Your way before You."
Mt 21:13 And He said to them, It is written, "My house shall be called the house of prayer"; but you have made it a den of thieves.
Mt 26:31 Then Jesus said to them, All of you will be offended because of Me this night. For it is written, "I will smite the Shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad."
Mr 1:2 as it is written in the Prophets, "Behold, I send My messenger before Your face, who shall prepare Your way before You.
Mr 7:6 But He answered and said to them, Well has Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, "This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
Mr 9:13 But I say to you that Elijah has indeed come, and they have done to him whatever they desired, as it is written of him.
Mr 14:27 And Jesus said to them, All of you will be offended because of Me this night. For it is written, "I will smite the Shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered."
Lu 2:23 (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, Every male that opens the womb shall be called holy to the Lord)
Lu 3:4 as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, saying, "The voice of one crying in the wilderness, prepare the way of the Lord, make His paths straight.
Lu 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written that "man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God."
Lu 4:8 And Jesus answered and said to him, Get behind me, Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only shall you serve."
Lu 4:10 For it is written, "He shall give His angels charge over You, to keep You;
Lu 7:27 This is he of whom it is written, "Behold, I send My messenger before Your face, who shall prepare Your way before You."
Lu 19:46 saying to them, It is written, "My house is a house of prayer," but you have made it a den of thieves.
Lu 24:46 And He said to them, So it is written, and so it behoved Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,
Joh 6:31 Our fathers ate the manna in the desert, as it is written, "He gave them bread from Heaven to eat."
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, "And they shall all be taught of God." Therefore everyone who hears and learns from the Father comes to Me.
Joh 12:14 And finding an ass colt, Jesus sat on it; as it is written,



You have a twisted view of the Bible and of God. It's not Biblical. You need to ask God to show you the truth of who He is and what His word is.

Quote (CPK001 @ Jun 6 2022 04:00am)

I was going to let frodo handle this one. Where are you frodo?