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Mar 28 2020 02:51pm
Quote (fender @ Mar 28 2020 02:43pm)
yes they are. all the time. now you know.


i wonder how many people they have infected then. WIthout sports im seriously dying to see those numbers

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Mar 28 2020 02:58pm
nothing to see, just republicans really caring about 'people', no idea why progressives were so upset about the relief bill:



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i wonder how many people they have infected then. WIthout sports im seriously dying to see those numbers


extremely hard to tell. obviously they have been cracking down massively, and enforcing extreme and dehumanising containment measures once it was clear they couldn't hide it from the world, but i would not consider their current reporting as anything but pure propaganda. i would not at all be surprised if the actual numbers of infected and deceased were three times as high as the official count. but again, impossible to get reliable information, or even rough estimates...
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Mar 28 2020 03:06pm
Quote (Santara @ Mar 28 2020 03:41pm)
Source?

Sharp decreases in air pollution related deaths, sharp drops in CO2 production, society learning that we can survive measures to combat global warming, world society on the whole being more germ-conscious.

Your math is off. A 15% daily increase will take us from 120,000 today to about 320,000 in a week. A 33% daily increase will take us to about 665,000 infections in a week.


I was assuming significant undercounting, which isn't a radical assumption considering the limits of testing and screening that still exist.

If we assume the U.S. has 100% perfect reporting, and we were to move from our current high infection rate, to the best infection rate we've seen so far (i.e. we suddenly tied the best in the world at handling it) then it only moves the million mark out to two weeks.
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Mar 28 2020 03:21pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 28 2020 03:49pm)
Your first line is a perfect example of why I say you are a lazy thinker.

Your line of reasoning is that since politicians have always lied, therefore all lies from politicians are status quo. You are totally ignoring that there's different degrees to how much politicians lie and the importance of what they lie about.

Similarly, I could retool your argument with a simple word replacement of "politicians" with "journalists" and it would invalidate your entire line of argument because journalists have always lied (because they're people) even in the presence of ethical codes. Similarly, politicians have ethical codes they are expected to behave by but have always violated, Trump in particular has been an especially bad violator.

This is why I don't say you are a bad person, or you are disingenuous, or etc. because you're not. Your style of thinking is lazy. That's what defines you. Intellectual laziness.


Always nibbling little fella.

Politicians have lied. Some more some less. Journalistic standards have been fairly consistent prior to the last 4-5 years. To retool the argument you'd have to prove that the two are the same, meaning they have the same function, which they don't. A politicians job is not to disseminate information a journalists job is however. A politicians main function is to govern, while a journalists is to disseminate info. So no they aren't on equal footing and don't get to be measured by the same yard stick. As usual very crude, unscientific way to view the world by you.

Pretty sad that between all of you the only argument you came up with is: Trump lies therefore media lying not bad. Trump does lie to varying degrees, but that doesn't excuse media lying for a second.

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Mar 28 2020 03:21pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 28 2020 03:06pm)
I was assuming significant undercounting, which isn't a radical assumption considering the limits of testing and screening that still exist.

If we assume the U.S. has 100% perfect reporting, and we were to move from our current high infection rate, to the best infection rate we've seen so far (i.e. we suddenly tied the best in the world at handling it) then it only moves the million mark out to two weeks.


that's why we have these shut downs. it really does slow down the virus rapidly. Only because the virus spreads so rapidly lol. Millions infected confirmed in a week or two? I highly doubt it but i do believe millions will be infected sooner or later. It's scary. That 2nd wave is real scary but our hospitals across the world will be ready for the 2nd wave. It's coming for sure but now everyone kind of gets an idea of what will happen. I hope this 2nd wave gets destroyed by humans and shutdowns. We need a fuck load of test kits!!!!!!!! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Mar 28 2020 03:34pm
Spain upgraded its ass:
All but non essential workers stay at home.
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Mar 28 2020 03:38pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 28 2020 04:21pm)
Always nibbling little fella.

Politicians have lied. Some more some less. Journalistic standards have been fairly consistent prior to the last 4-5 years. To retool the argument you'd have to prove that the two are the same, meaning they have the same function, which they don't. A politicians job is not to disseminate information a journalists job is however. A politicians main function is to govern, while a journalists is to disseminate info. So no they aren't on equal footing and don't get to be measured by the same yard stick. As usual very crude, unscientific way to view the world by you.

Pretty sad that between all of you the only argument you came up with is: Trump lies therefore media lying not bad. Trump does lie to varying degrees, but that doesn't excuse media lying for a second.


Except nobody is saying they have the same function, nobody has said either lying is fine, and part of a politicians job is absolutely to disseminate information.

As usual, your laziness is legitimately cringeworthy.

If you could be bothered to actually think through what you type you might be a decent contributor, but you are so unable or unwilling to actually put thought into your worldview that you will always just shit on the board while claiming victory.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Mar 28 2020 03:39pm
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Mar 28 2020 03:46pm
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Except nobody is saying they have the same function, nobody has said either lying is fine, and part of a politicians job is absolutely to disseminate information.

As usual, your laziness is legitimately cringeworthy.

If you could be bothered to actually think through what you type you might be a decent contributor, but you are so unable or unwilling to actually put thought into your worldview that you will always just shit on the board while claiming victory.


Reading comprehension of a gerbil, to be expected of someone though that thinks a major news organization 'fact-checking' a statement does't actually mean that they have to tell the truth.

No wonder media has been regressing so badly when people really think this is acceptable:

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it's not unethical to put out unverified facts as long as you make sure to say they're unverified and waiting for corroborating information. It's then up to the reader to take the source into account and make a conclusion
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Mar 28 2020 03:53pm
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Reading comprehension of a gerbil, to be expected of someone though that thinks a major news organization 'fact-checking' a statement does't actually mean that they have to tell the truth.

No wonder media has been regressing so badly when people really think this is acceptable:


In my example the media outlet IS telling the truth. Saying "X was given by an anonymous source and has yet to be confirmed by other sources" is a truthful statement.

Saying "X is true" when given by an anonymous source would be a lie.

It's all about the details of how the story is carried out. Your blanket assertion that "If you haven't verified it then don't print it, it's super simple." is actually NOT a standard that journalists have ever been held to.

Again, you're lazy. This kind of thing isn't hard to understand, and for somebody complaining about ethics it would behoove you to understand at least understand the basics.
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Mar 28 2020 03:54pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 28 2020 02:21pm)

Pretty sad that between all of you the only argument you came up with is: Trump lies therefore media lying not bad. Trump does lie to varying degrees, but that doesn't excuse media lying for a second.


Not even what anyone is saying.. the pres can't be the verbal equal to the National Enquirer is what we are trying to say.
He verbal shit is over the top.. There is a place for fake news and satire and flat ignorance.. The guy in charge isn't it.

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