that's backwards imo. and you seem to be arguing yourself. according to you it's a legal loophole they're legally exploiting, but results in more lawsuits than if it was changed. how on earth can you rectify those two thoughts? "they're getting in free now" vs "they'll sue less if we say they are deport-able". this EO will result in class action and democrat backed lawsuits to try and put glue in the system. illegals from Cali to Florida will be backed by democrats hoping that one case makes it up the ladder. meanwhile who pays the bill for the defendant of all those cases? our tax money, from cali to florida.

If EO is signed today, birth certificates printed tomorrow no longer qualify for the automatic citizenship. Everyone who already had a kid here is fine but after no. Seems pretty clear cut to me imo. What's there to be litigated?

Is this a real executive order?

This should be like if Obama sign an executive order Banning the Second Amendment for anyone born tomorrow. You have the right to bear arms as long as you were born before this date.

This is complete Insanity.

45% of the country votes for a guy and he acts like a f****** dictator LOL.

No, it's just my version of what it should be. It provides a path to citizenship for people who had a kid here and are illegals and acts as a necessary cut off from a point where we can say 'no longer'

What's your solution mate?

first off the idea that it's instant is silly. the rollout is never instant. day one the WH will roll out instructions, then responses will roll in, questions, etc. it gets refined and the instruction changes over time until after perhaps a few months most are following the EO. that's the red tape i referred to in the post.

as to the litigation, two fold. lack of citizenship litigation, yes it is possible to sue for that, especially if backed by a large amount of money. that's how laws change, people legally challenge them, sometimes all the way to the SCOTUS. Or congress could sue over the EO, as Boehner did to Obama. Then you have the deportation this will cause, and litigation on that front. Child that would have been a US citizen last year now isn't, ice finds them, detains them for deportation and someone takes their case. this will cause stoppages in food stamps and other programs, lawsuits could be filed there.

now here's the kicker, most if not all will be tossed or lose. and we'll still have a massive bill in court fees and prosecutors to fight the cases. and as i said, it could draw and immediate stay from the SCOTUS or regional stays in the circuit courts (afaik, id need to research how a circuit court stay would effect regional rollout)

that's not even getting into the optics loss this is for pro-immigration reform, because an EO is bound to galvanize the enemy and does little to galvanize the base. people cheered on Obama's EOs but the ferver always wades fast, especially as the other side gets the easy optics wins of calling the POTUS an authoritarian.

meanwhile we dont combat the problem, terrible conditions in central america largely caused by American meddling from decades and centuries past that we're now dealing with. I'm not saying we deserve these people, but they're directly the result of shitty banana republic sham govts we set up just to hand us cash. we need to work on enforcement of immigration in southern mexico (where the labor for such is about a quarter what it costs here) with a far smaller border to enforce. aid packages with requirements to enforce domestic caravans. focus on domestic criminal illegal immigrants. legalize pot to cut down coyote/drug runner combination operations. military bases on the southern border. i could go all day and still not come within a country mile of an EO targeting something that still might not clear scotus and is bound to be combated hard by the other side. Mexico is letting these people through in revenge for Trumps comments, and i dont blame them.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 30 2018 04:09pm

Looks like whitey Trump supporters and Uncle "Candace Owens" Tom tried to take advantage of Kanye. Shame.

I wonder how much the uncle toms were paid?

seems like mixed messaging, isn't Kanye's general narrative right in line with Blexit? could he just finally be aware of the ramifications of tying himself to people like Owens when it comes to the black community?

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