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Mar 28 2020 02:18pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 28 2020 02:10pm)
I don't think this will cause a lot of medical progress. We have had several modern epidemics to draw data from, and we have a pretty good idea of how viral spread works already. I just don't see a lot of big advancements off of this crisis.

In short term news, we're gonna have multiple million infections in the U.S. in about a week. It's gonna get really bad.



I do see something weird though. There's a split in the science community where one half says "The china data has more or less mimicked the spread in every other country. If you do the math you get the same infection rates as other countries and there's no real halmarks of it being invalid" and "Don't trust the China data, it's full of inconsistencies, they weren't clearly reporting their infection rate" and these are from people who I usually trust, so I really don't know who to listen to.


That entire china thing is throwing me off real bad. REAL bad and it's pissing me off cause i like to work with some kind of truth. Lol. That's how science works. You start off with something you DO know.
With china...you don't know fucking SHIT. Lol. Idk if they went full commie and beat the virus or they just want to keep things quiet. I really don't know but they are like NK when they want too. THey can control their people and they CAN shut the internet down to the majority of people over there. They can do anything at anytime and there is nothing their people or anyone can do about it. So maybe they just forced everyone to lock down. Those people listen cause they are afraid of the government.

Here in the western world....we are not afraid of our government. It's just SOOO different in comparison. SO i don't know either. If china has less then 100 new cases a day then im so impressed. I really am impressed if they kept those numbers under 100,000.
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Mar 28 2020 02:20pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 28 2020 02:14pm)
Not a chance in hell we open up testing on prisoners. That's incredibly unethical and won't happen in the modern world.

Covid and Ebola would have no way to recombine, and the ebola outbreak is over at this point so there's no concern over that. The worst we will see from Covid is if it mutates or recombines with another flu virus and the infection starts all over with the new strain. That's definitely in the realm of possibility.


yeah it can't combine. I was just more focused on the death rate mixed with a very contagious virus with a long incubation period. Lol Ebola would basically just be a super bad mers is what im saying
SO i should haave said a super bad mers sexing covid-19 but technically they just mutate so they dont fuck. Im just being silly lol

Ebola is just something totally different. It's just in the virus world we've been waiting for a flu as deadly as ebola. SO far not yet. We've been waiting for something contagious like the flu with a long incubation period. SO this covid-19....is it.
Cause we already know that people who get sick will just stay home and pass out so that helps with spreading.
This covid-19. You can just feel normal with a slight cough and spread it everywhere. That is intense as hell but we LUCKED out because the death rate is like what? 1-4%? Too early to know but yeah.
Can you imagine mers spreading as fast as covid-19?!

This post was edited by Crankyjimster on Mar 28 2020 02:22pm
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Mar 28 2020 02:23pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Mar 28 2020 03:17pm)
The line of people waiting to pick up ashes at a single crematorium was longer than their total death count.


They reported over 3000 deaths. I doubt there was a line at a single crematorium that long.
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Mar 28 2020 02:24pm
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Obama told people they can keep their doctors, wasn't true, one example off the top of my head. We could do this all day with pointing to random politicians. You could point to pretty much every politician since the beginning of governments and find they lied somewhere, somehow. Not saying it's okay but it has been the status quo for ever. So unlike you guys i'm not holding Trump to some higher standards. He's in politics, so he lies.

And lol at the bold, what a crock of shit. Do you mind pointing me to where exactly CNN said this about their fact check on Trump? To think of it, it's an oxymoron to 'fact check' something and then claim they are unverified facts don't you think?


Yes.. every politician has lied..
10k times.. NOPE
stop defending his integrity.. he's not going to marry your sister you don't owe him anything. FFS
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Mar 28 2020 02:33pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 28 2020 02:14pm)
Not a chance in hell we open up testing on prisoners. That's incredibly unethical and won't happen in the modern world.

Covid and Ebola would have no way to recombine, and the ebola outbreak is over at this point so there's no concern over that. The worst we will see from Covid is if it mutates or recombines with another flu virus and the infection starts all over with the new strain. That's definitely in the realm of possibility.


I feel like at some point when we see a new coronavirus with a 30%+ kill rate and spreads like a flu................we will do anythinggg. Straight up test on people within weeks! You know that regulations and codes forces us to wait an extra 7+ months for vaccines?
When we run into a coronavirus that spreads like this and kills 30%+ we will have 100,000,000's of deaths before that vaccine comes out so i feel like china or someone will test on humans real quick lol.
Sacrifice the well being of a few thousand prisoners to help millions. This is just shit and giggles. Of course this could never come for 1000's of years or it might just come next year along with this covid-19.

There is no other way. The best way is to focus on a faster way to develop vaccines. WE CAN. WE just don't want too cause it might hurt test subjects.
I bet you anything china tested on humans months ago. lol
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Mar 28 2020 02:34pm
i want to know if china is lying or not! wtf!
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Mar 28 2020 02:38pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 28 2020 02:23pm)
They reported over 3000 deaths. I doubt there was a line at a single crematorium that long.


can you imagine if we didnt have stable governments and just let this virus run its course?
We would have 10,000's of deaths PER DAY RIGHT NOW and then eventually 100,000s a day in 1-2 months. a couple million deaths at the end of june if we didn't do anything.
THankgod countries shut down and stop the spread. Imagine no borders were shut down and china didn't know about the virus until february.
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Mar 28 2020 02:41pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Mar 28 2020 03:17pm)
The line of people waiting to pick up ashes at a single crematorium was longer than their total death count.


Source?

Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 28 2020 03:10pm)
I don't think this will cause a lot of medical progress. We have had several modern epidemics to draw data from, and we have a pretty good idea of how viral spread works already. I just don't see a lot of big advancements off of this crisis.

In short term news, we're gonna have multiple million infections in the U.S. in about a week. It's gonna get really bad.


Sharp decreases in air pollution related deaths, sharp drops in CO2 production, society learning that we can survive measures to combat global warming, world society on the whole being more germ-conscious.

Your math is off. A 15% daily increase will take us from 120,000 today to about 320,000 in a week. A 33% daily increase will take us to about 665,000 infections in a week.
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Mar 28 2020 02:43pm
Quote (Crankyjimster @ 28 Mar 2020 21:34)
i want to know if china is lying or not! wtf!


yes they are. all the time. now you know.
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Mar 28 2020 02:45pm
Quote (Santara @ Mar 28 2020 02:41pm)
Source?



Sharp decreases in air pollution related deaths, sharp drops in CO2 production, society learning that we can survive measures to combat global warming, world society on the whole being more germ-conscious.

Your math is off. A 15% daily increase will take us from 120,000 today to about 320,000 in a week. A 33% daily increase will take us to about 665,000 infections in a week.


I live 30 minutes away from an area with a lot of car traffic. I was there a few days ago and the air is ABSURDLY nice. At first i thought it was something off but it was just cleaner air lol.
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