Quote (Goomshill @ 18 Feb 2020 16:27)

https://medium.com/@ChrisMurphyCT/behind-the-scenes-of-my-trip-to-ukraine-and-munich-c1398a06ff0b
https://twitter.com/chrismurphyct/status/1229794884107808774?s=21

Senator Chris Murphy details in his own words his secret trip to Ukraine and Munich to conduct unauthorized foreign policy and his meeting with Iranian FM Zarif



and in other reiteration;



He also detailed meeting with Zelesnky, pressuring him not to help Rudy Giuliani

How do you guys feel about Murphy's novel interpretation of constitutional powers that give him the ability to conduct foreign policy, meet with and pressure foreign dignitaries, but not explicitly 'negotiate' with them or carry formal 'messages'? For decades, senators have danced around foreign policy powers and avoided taking any open position of giving themselves constitutional powers that would usurp the executive's sole dominion of foreign policy, even as they did it anyway. Trying to leave it in a fairly ambiguous state. But Murphy has come out in response to the controversy over his trip to talk to the Iranians and declared that he has official powers to conduct foreign policy as a member of congress and granted himself authorization to meet with and pressure the Iranians, outside of the executive branch. He avoided explicitly opposing the administration in the policies he listed on Iran, but sure trod close to it with Ukraine.


Also, given the position he's staking out, he has to pretend that John Kerry was invited on the trip as an official surrogate for a member of congress, acting under his authorization. Because he can't really pretend that John Kerry, private citizen, is authorized to conduct foreign policy under an interpretation that gives that power to congress, unless he's saying congress authorized him.


also, there's the pretty bad look that;



So he's simultaneously telling Zelenksky not to get involved with Rudy Giuliani, while telling him that he'll draft legislation to increase foreign aid to Ukraine.

GEEE

DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A CERTAIN LATIN PHRASE?

Quote (Landmine @ Feb 19 2020 09:21am)

Search my post history. You have the money to do so. Also I never seen you, but I was part of cc-comp way before 06. So if you're during my time and don't know my user name you were no one important.

Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 18 2020 03:04pm)

or icemage recognized attacking blindly major sources is really just a way to shut down conversation. and hating CNN is a meme, so any time he wants to have a real talk and someone just goes for the "LOL CNN" hack post he's cornered into trying to prop up to source just so he can talk about a topic unrelated to the source. also as he said he gets his sources from twitter most times CNN is a super commonly sourced site on political twitter.

i just am sitting here laughing that 5 years ago Icemage was considered about as far right as you can get in PARD without being an extremist meme poster and here we are now debating his ideological adherence to the furthest left MSM outlet. did you guys seriously forget a decade or so of right leaning posts from Icemage just so you could lazily toss him into the leftist camp rather than actually sitting down and considering never trumpers are a real thing? i just dont get it lmao

Quote (ofthevoid @ Feb 18 2020 07:45pm)

"blindly"

I guess you missed my post few pages back on why they are a shit tier source. Pointing out that they promoted a criminal hack lawyer and got sued for false reporting and settled for millions is apparently meme quality LOLCNN.

The post wasn't directed at him, he felt the need to respond and defend CNN. I don't care about lumping him into anything. I have more respect for people like Skinned or Inkandagger even though i diametrically disagree with them versus someone that sways with the political winds and pop culture.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 18 2020 06:55pm)

But did Avenatti give them false information? They had a guy on who was later found to be bad isn't much of a criticism unless he gave clearly false information on the broadcast.

Quote (Goomshill @ 18 Feb 2020 20:18)

That doesn't really fit your description of people who have Trump's ear. All the reporting on a potential Blagojevich pardon over the past few years has repeatedly said that while Patti Blagojevich has been very vocal about it, all of Trump's advisers and lobbyists and GOP allies have been in his ear opposing it. And he's certainly not loyal to Trump or a political ally himself, being before his time and holding no power.

There are many reasons to pardon Blagojevich and they might indeed be an example of unfair politically-motivated sentencing that Trump is all too sympathetic towards, a desire to prime a stage for further use of pardons/commutations on politically charged cases like Roger Stone, and a deep skepticism towards the establishment and judiciary in such political cases and preference for leniency in crimes without clear harms. You can try to rationalize it along ideology, politics, strategy or just pretend he's erratic. I don't think with such a superficial view into the decision making I can claim I know the answer

Quote (ofthevoid @ Feb 19 2020 11:03am)

The point is they promoted him. Look at all the screenshots of CNN headlines when it came to him. That's some serious lapses of judgement and lack of due diligence. If agents of a news network are promoting a person as a potential Democrat nominee on national TV only for a few months for him to be exposed as a criminal that's plain embarrassing for a major network. You don't plaster and promote someones face and interview them for weeks for millions of eyeballs to see unless you're sure of that persons credibility/character.

Quote (ofthevoid @ 19 Feb 2020 01:03)

The point is they promoted him. Look at all the screenshots of CNN headlines when it came to him. That's some serious lapses of judgement and lack of due diligence. If agents of a news network are promoting a person as a potential Democrat nominee on national TV only for a few months later for him to be exposed as a criminal that's plain embarrassing for a major network. You don't plaster and promote someones face and interview them for weeks for millions of eyeballs to see unless you're sure of that persons credibility/character.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Feb 18 2020 07:08pm)

Ok, so you do realise EVERYTHING you are saying 100% relates to trump right?
How many of his buddies are doing time right now?
And this is the guy you are voting for president and unflinchingly support 24/7 here on pard.