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Feb 18 2020 02:49pm
Quote (Landmine @ Feb 19 2020 07:08am)
I've been part of pard longer than any of the current posters. I call your bullshit. I've seen him spew his Republican non sense and it shouldn't of fooled anyone.


Straight up lies. from someone who everyone here actually does know has been around since the start.
Never even heard of you before 2016 when you popped up with almost no posts and started spamming.
Only early pard regulars still somewhat around are sioux, jrwhite, darkfire. balrog and a few of the staff team who avoid this place like the plague.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Feb 18 2020 02:54pm
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okay a bunch more pardons/commutations;
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-regarding-executive-grants-clemency-2/

full statement there, with full list
public figures;
Former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich

Former 49ers owner Edward DeBartolo Jr

Former NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik

Financier and Philanthropist Michael Milken

Tech Entrepreneur Ariel Friedler

Construction CEO Paul Pogue

Former GSA Chief of Staff David Safavian

Best-selling author and TV host Angela Stanton

non-public figures:

Tynice Nichole Hall

Crystal Munoz

Judith Negron


some head scratchers there
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Feb 18 2020 02:56pm
Quote (excellence @ Feb 19 2020 07:54am)
some head scratchers there


8x white collar criminals.
People who would make good allies if they get back on their feet. debartolo is worth 2.8 billion as of 2018 so hes already a good ally.
Shrewd but pretty swampy.
Note all of the non famous pardons were woman who would draw good publicity.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Feb 18 2020 03:01pm
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Quote (excellence @ Feb 18 2020 12:54pm)
some head scratchers there



Look at their hair styles. I think there may be a connection.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 18 2020 02:26pm)
okay a bunch more pardons/commutations;
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-regarding-executive-grants-clemency-2/

full statement there, with full list
public figures;
Former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich and former apprentice co-star

Former 49ers owner Edward DeBartolo Jr

Former NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik

Financier and Philanthropist Michael Milken

Tech Entrepreneur Ariel Friedler

Construction CEO Paul Pogue

Former GSA Chief of Staff David Safavian

Best-selling author and TV host Angela Stanton

non-public figures:

Tynice Nichole Hall

Crystal Munoz

Judith Negron


ftfy
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Feb 18 2020 03:05pm
Going over the list one by one, a few of billionaires on it.

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Feb 18 2020 03:27pm
https://medium.com/@ChrisMurphyCT/behind-the-scenes-of-my-trip-to-ukraine-and-munich-c1398a06ff0b
https://twitter.com/chrismurphyct/status/1229794884107808774?s=21

Senator Chris Murphy details in his own words his secret trip to Ukraine and Munich to conduct unauthorized foreign policy and his meeting with Iranian FM Zarif

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I met w the Iranian Foriegn Minister in Munich. It’s dangerous not to talk to adversaries, esp amidst a cycle of escalation.

First, I urged him to control any Iranian proxies in Iraq who might attack U.S. forces and allies there.
Second, I pressed him to release American citizens being unlawfully detained in Iran.
Third, I pushed him to end the Houthi blockage of humanitarian aid in Yemen.

Congress is a co-equal branch to the executive. We set foreign policy too. Many of us have met w Zarif over the years, under Obama and Trump. So though no one in Congress can negotiate with Zarif or carry official U.S. government messages, there is value in having a dialogue.
I wish President Trump would see that value too. Because our current policy of blind, non-strategic escalation is just making Iran more powerful and menacing, and making America weaker and less secure.


and in other reiteration;

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"But if Trump isn’t going to talk to Iran, then someone should. And Congress is a co-equal branch of government, responsible along with the Executive for setting foreign policy. A lack of dialogue leaves nations guessing about their enemy’s intentions, and guessing wrong can lead to catastrophic mistakes."


He also detailed meeting with Zelesnky, pressuring him not to help Rudy Giuliani

How do you guys feel about Murphy's novel interpretation of constitutional powers that give him the ability to conduct foreign policy, meet with and pressure foreign dignitaries, but not explicitly 'negotiate' with them or carry formal 'messages'? For decades, senators have danced around foreign policy powers and avoided taking any open position of giving themselves constitutional powers that would usurp the executive's sole dominion of foreign policy, even as they did it anyway. Trying to leave it in a fairly ambiguous state. But Murphy has come out in response to the controversy over his trip to talk to the Iranians and declared that he has official powers to conduct foreign policy as a member of congress and granted himself authorization to meet with and pressure the Iranians, outside of the executive branch. He avoided explicitly opposing the administration in the policies he listed on Iran, but sure trod close to it with Ukraine.


Also, given the position he's staking out, he has to pretend that John Kerry was invited on the trip as an official surrogate for a member of congress, acting under his authorization. Because he can't really pretend that John Kerry, private citizen, is authorized to conduct foreign policy under an interpretation that gives that power to congress, unless he's saying congress authorized him.


also, there's the pretty bad look that;

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I made a point of telling him that getting involved with Rudy Giuliani and the Trump reelection campaign was potentially disastrous for Ukraine. And I knew that I had to deliver the same message to Zelensky now.
...
Then, I turn to the touchier subject. “Mr. President, your instinct has always been right, to stay out of American politics. You’ve always understood the damage that could have been done if you got involved in our presidential election. But there are reports that Mayor Giuliani isn’t done trying to dig up dirt on Trump’s opponents — he was here in Ukraine in December, we understand — and I just want to ask you directly if you are still feeling pressure to help with his investigations?”

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On the short walk back to the conference, I buttonhole Portman to support the legislation I am considering drafting to increase American help for Ukraine. “That sounds like a good idea,” Portman says.


So he's simultaneously telling Zelenksky not to get involved with Rudy Giuliani, while telling him that he'll draft legislation to increase foreign aid to Ukraine.

GEEE

DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A CERTAIN LATIN PHRASE?


This post was edited by Goomshill on Feb 18 2020 03:32pm
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Quote (balrog66 @ Feb 18 2020 12:38pm)
Started out mostly lurking and posting infrequently. Back in the day with ChiefWiggum, Kami, etc.

Tcock might be from around those days too. Don't know if there are any other people from way back then. Maybe FrodoBaggins lmao.


2007-2009 was peak PaRD IMO. I actually miss jjarv, Sparrow, zoidberg, that one guy with the stewie avatar who went to Dartmouth, etc. We've lost a lot of interesting people over the years but that's life. Thor hit the nail on the head though. It was more interesting back then because we were so much younger and figuring out our worldviews. I was a fucking libertarian back in 2007 ffs.

Also, who could forget the rampant multis, zeitgeist, docking, and all the other antics that happened?

This post was edited by thundercock on Feb 18 2020 04:07pm
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Feb 18 2020 04:10pm
so let me get this straight:

when it's done for personal political reasons, when you withhold congressionally sanctioned military aid to pressure an ally at war, it's a 'nothingburger' and a 'sham'.
but when it's done to release american hostages and de-escalate tensions with iran, then it's somehow nefarious and noteworthy...
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Feb 18 2020 04:21pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Feb 18 2020 01:56pm)
8x white collar criminals.
People who would make good allies if they get back on their feet. debartolo is worth 2.8 billion as of 2018 so hes already a good ally.
Shrewd but pretty swampy.
Note all of the non famous pardons were woman who would draw good publicity.


Quote (Plaguefear @ Feb 18 2020 01:49pm)
Straight up lies. from someone who everyone here actually does know has been around since the start.
Never even heard of you before 2016 when you popped up with almost no posts and started spamming.
Only early pard regulars still somewhat around are sioux, jrwhite, darkfire. balrog and a few of the staff team who avoid this place like the plague.


Search my post history. You have the money to do so. Also I never seen you, but I was part of cc-comp way before 06. So if you're during my time and don't know my user name you were no one important.

This post was edited by Landmine on Feb 18 2020 04:28pm
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