would u agree generally that their motive is chaos/destabilization?

i think many submotives can be worked out just from that, as a rule, even if it has exceptions where they have specific motives with specific actors.

The state of our country is so sad that Kid Rock would most likely beat out Trump and Clinton

I think I, as most others, would agree that the main Russian objective is to weaken the United States. Putting the country into a state of perpetual political and cultural war along partisan lines is a great way of achieving that. Particularly when the most polarizing figure is, first, the president and if, second, every pro- or anti-russia sentiment is automatically tied to this president and thus destined to fall into the partisan trenches.

I dont think there is any actor on the world stage right now who's playing 43d-chess - but if there was one, it would have to be Putin.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 24 2018 01:56pm

2024: Kid Rock (R) vs President Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson (D)?

we should hire Kasparov, he's Putins chess and political match. i agree entirely on your post.

if you just want chaos or destabilization, you will support democrats winning elections
nobody could make a better job at causing chaos, just need to sit back and watch their divisive and moronic social justice warrior policy dismantle the country

i think the main motive to support trump was that putin wanted someone at least a bit russia friendly in the white house, who would give them some room in syria just to name one example

This post was edited by ampoo on Oct 24 2018 02:06pm

agreed, but now that trump is in the white house, amplifying the existing hyperpartisanship even further is the perfect way for the russians to paralyze the country politically, and with regard to everything russia in particular.
remember folks, even back in 2016, there were russian trolls and influencers stirring shit up in both directions.

the most likely scenario in my opinion: the russian operation in 2015 and early 2016 was set to bring about discord in america to weaken the country politically. when Putin realized that the rather russia-friendly trump had a real shot of winning the presidency and that the alternative would be the outspoken russia-hawk clinton, he directed his troll factories to skew their operations in favor of the GOP.

hence, we arrive at where we are now, but trump is not his puppet, there was no collusion, we dont really know for sure by how much the russian meddling influenced the vote, and we dont know how much the russian interference was driven by "I'd actually like a Pres. Trump" vs "I really dread a Pres. Clinton".

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 24 2018 02:15pm

Women and minorities earning their fair share and not being discriminated against is dismantling the country? Or is it the married gays pounding each other in their tight assholes in the privacy of their own homes? Or muh trannies sitting down to pee in a stall?

That's it. Democrats are objectively better at managing the economy as demonstrated ( https://books.google.com/books/about/Bulls_Bears_and_the_Ballot_Box.html?id=arlvybt6Q7gC&source=kp_book_description ) as well as managing foreign policy. Democrats have managed every major US war except the Iraq Wars and those went splendidly.

So it comes down to opposing trannies pissing in public, people earning as much as white guys for the same shit (here they will argue they just do those things better than everyone else lol), and regulating love. Also, giving the state the right to force women to have children by withholding easily available medical procedures.

Republicans love biopower, which is the state control over bodies. Conservative governments will institutionalize people who are deviants or sick, exclude people they deem undesirable from civic participation in commonly held rights like marriage which is a direct denial of the right of property for homosexual couples who are always under threat of a parasitic family coming in and taking the entire estate from family member they never respected. Its disgusting behavior and a complete failure at the golden rule.

women and minorities are welcome to earn the fair share as is everyone else nowadays in the us

now deranged social justice warriors like you and the democrats try to force their fake discrimination narrative by discriminating against white people
great job really, thats the divisive policy i was talking about
this is not mathematics where a "-" and another "-" become a "+" you know

not to mention the ridiculous fixation on a lgbtq discussion, that is completely out of proportion

you accomplish the exact opposite of what you are trying to do (well, at least of what you claim to do)