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Feb 18 2020 01:02pm
Quote (IceMage @ Feb 18 2020 11:55am)
I'd ask the cult how they feel about this but we all know the answer.

What sticks out to me about Trump's pardons/commutations is they either are people loyal to him or powerful people who have advocates who get his ear. That's about it. It's not about reforming the system, it's about shielding the people who you like.


He should of pardoned Stone. He has the power to and nothing the media or the cry baby squad can say about it. (Damn hypocrites)
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Feb 18 2020 01:04pm
two more pardons/commutations:

Bernard Kerik;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Kerik

Michael Milken;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Milken
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Feb 18 2020 01:06pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 18 2020 02:01pm)
Do you think Rod Blagojevich is either loyal to Trump or has advocates who get in his ear? Who has been lobbying to get Blagojevich pardoned other than Patti Blagojevich? When it first came up, I heard that Jared Kushner was talking about it, but he has no stake in it, and a whole bunch of people who were "in Trump's ear" were opposed to it. The Illinois GOP in particular didn't want his sentence commuted. Its hard to have any political capital or allies when you've spent 7 years in prison.


So your argument is that Trump cares deeply about unfair sentences and just happened to single out a clear example of corruption to express it?

Blagojevich's wife has been on Fox News for years. Trump commuted his sentence because his attack on American institutions doesn't fall neatly into some ideological line.
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Feb 18 2020 01:10pm
Battered wives brigade making excuses for more poor behavior.
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Feb 18 2020 01:18pm
Quote (IceMage @ Feb 18 2020 01:06pm)
So your argument is that Trump cares deeply about unfair sentences and just happened to single out a clear example of corruption to express it?


I didn't express any such opinion or posit any explanation for this set of Trump's pardons, only pointed out how your explanation is square peg round hole.

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Blagojevich's wife has been on Fox News for years. Trump commuted his sentence because his attack on American institutions doesn't fall neatly into some ideological line.


That doesn't really fit your description of people who have Trump's ear. All the reporting on a potential Blagojevich pardon over the past few years has repeatedly said that while Patti Blagojevich has been very vocal about it, all of Trump's advisers and lobbyists and GOP allies have been in his ear opposing it. And he's certainly not loyal to Trump or a political ally himself, being before his time and holding no power.

There are many reasons to pardon Blagojevich and they might indeed be an example of unfair politically-motivated sentencing that Trump is all too sympathetic towards, a desire to prime a stage for further use of pardons/commutations on politically charged cases like Roger Stone, and a deep skepticism towards the establishment and judiciary in such political cases and preference for leniency in crimes without clear harms. You can try to rationalize it along ideology, politics, strategy or just pretend he's erratic. I don't think with such a superficial view into the decision making I can claim I know the answer
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Feb 18 2020 01:34pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 18 2020 12:55pm)
"You can only say what CNN told you to say" is just as hack as the "you only watch Fox News" posts. i cant understand why so many people are so intent on repeatedly making that type of post, i generally only do it to brand new posters to try and bait out their sources. but for anyone to act like a 10 year PARD regular is in reality a 1 source person is just silly, especially in 2020 when u get most of your news from outside of the source. like u said, twitter/reddit link leads u there, not your "daily visit" to the site.

noticed how TrustedTaggedfornothing went from faking to be a reasonable centrist straight into hypocritical source hacking. he's all about facts until you challenge him on facts he doesnt know, then it's a polite and retreating "i will have to do more research".


Every time CNN comes up in discussion Icemage defends them. Yeah i criticize him for it because literally no other poster on this sub defends one specific outlet more than he does CNN which to me speaks more about his adherence to that platforms ideology rather than anything.

Like i consider my self on the right but if people shit on Fox i can't care less. I don't watch the network and if i did i'm sure it's biased and if someone said it was i wouldn't argue against that point, yet all i have to do is post 'cnn is shitty' and Icemage will peek his head out.

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Feb 18 2020 01:59pm
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Battered wives brigade making excuses for more poor behavior.



Seriously so pathetic
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Feb 18 2020 01:34pm)
Every time CNN comes up in discussion Icemage defends them. Yeah i criticize him for it because literally no other poster on this sub defends one specific outlet more than he does CNN which to me speaks more about his adherence to that platforms ideology rather than anything.

Like i consider my self on the right but if people shit on Fox i can't care less. I don't watch the network and if i did i'm sure it's biased and if someone said it was i wouldn't argue against that point, yet all i have to do is post 'cnn is shitty' and Icemage will peek his head out.


or icemage recognized attacking blindly major sources is really just a way to shut down conversation. and hating CNN is a meme, so any time he wants to have a real talk and someone just goes for the "LOL CNN" hack post he's cornered into trying to prop up to source just so he can talk about a topic unrelated to the source. also as he said he gets his sources from twitter most times CNN is a super commonly sourced site on political twitter.

i just am sitting here laughing that 5 years ago Icemage was considered about as far right as you can get in PARD without being an extremist meme poster and here we are now debating his ideological adherence to the furthest left MSM outlet. did you guys seriously forget a decade or so of right leaning posts from Icemage just so you could lazily toss him into the leftist camp rather than actually sitting down and considering never trumpers are a real thing? i just dont get it lmao
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Feb 18 2020 02:08pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 18 2020 01:04pm)
or icemage recognized attacking blindly major sources is really just a way to shut down conversation. and hating CNN is a meme, so any time he wants to have a real talk and someone just goes for the "LOL CNN" hack post he's cornered into trying to prop up to source just so he can talk about a topic unrelated to the source. also as he said he gets his sources from twitter most times CNN is a super commonly sourced site on political twitter.

i just am sitting here laughing that 5 years ago Icemage was considered about as far right as you can get in PARD without being an extremist meme poster and here we are now debating his ideological adherence to the furthest left MSM outlet. did you guys seriously forget a decade or so of right leaning posts from Icemage just so you could lazily toss him into the leftist camp rather than actually sitting down and considering never trumpers are a real thing? i just dont get it lmao


I've been part of pard longer than any of the current posters. I call your bullshit. I've seen him spew his Republican non sense and it shouldn't of fooled anyone.

This post was edited by Landmine on Feb 18 2020 02:12pm
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Feb 18 2020 02:14pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 18 2020 04:04pm)
or icemage recognized attacking blindly major sources is really just a way to shut down conversation. and hating CNN is a meme, so any time he wants to have a real talk and someone just goes for the "LOL CNN" hack post he's cornered into trying to prop up to source just so he can talk about a topic unrelated to the source. also as he said he gets his sources from twitter most times CNN is a super commonly sourced site on political twitter.

i just am sitting here laughing that 5 years ago Icemage was considered about as far right as you can get in PARD without being an extremist meme poster and here we are now debating his ideological adherence to the furthest left MSM outlet. did you guys seriously forget a decade or so of right leaning posts from Icemage just so you could lazily toss him into the leftist camp rather than actually sitting down and considering never trumpers are a real thing? i just dont get it lmao


He lost his backup when Widow died so he did have to shift to the middle a bit. Changing the social dynamic is the best way to get people to change their opinions.
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