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#251
May 25 2022 04:35pm
Quote (Skinned @ May 25 2022 05:08am)
So all private schools with armed students is the solution? Let them know.



Lol True. We have the shittiest government in the West, rips us off the most and works for the oligarchs, and guns don't do shit to protect us.

It is the rampaging negro hoard they've been waiting for their whole life. Their idea of tyranny is losing an election and failing their coup.


nope never said that only you said that................straw man
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#252
May 25 2022 04:38pm
Quote (fender @ May 25 2022 03:34pm)
you're putting the cart before the horse. people who grow up sheltered, with wealth to protect, people who are unlikely to be arrested on bogus or minor charges and therefore less likely to be absent fathers, families that have enough income for parents to even have the time to be involved in their child's life unsurprisingly have a lower chance of being involved with organised crime. no shit?!

the suggestion that some people choose that path simply because their "values" / "culture", or whatever transparent dogwhistle you want to use, makes it the most appealing option to them is dumb and bigoted.

the real answer to the question is that many conservatives simply lack the perspective or empathy to realise that the reality for many americans, especially minorities that have been systematically disadvantaged for decades, can be very harsh.


You're right that they lack perspective and empathy. That's not their problem, it's yours. They will continue voting for things that benefit them and not give a second thought to all the shit that other people have to deal with. The onus is on you to show them the way since you're the one who wants change and they couldn't care less.
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#253
May 25 2022 04:39pm
Quote (Skinned @ May 25 2022 05:38pm)
There is no such thing as an unborn person. Unborn and personhood contradict each other.

Furthermore we agree that a person's body can't be accessed without their consent even to save the life of a person. You have to consent to donate your organs. You should have the right to consent in carrying a fetus to full term. But America respects the bodily autonomy of corpses more than living women.

Meanwhile back to the issue:

Texas is 50th in baby welfare checks
50th in infant care
43 in maternal mortality
44th in school funding
46 in child hunger.

They made it easier to buy and carry firearms, and now how many children were murdered by these firearms?

Texas anti-natalist. It's hilarious to call them pro life.


What's asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. The nature of parent-child relationships needs to be taken into account. We do not allow parents to summarily abandon their children, even though their bodily autonomy is almost certainly impacted. We require men to sell their labor in order to support their children, even if their child is otherwise taken care of. You've spoken in favor of these things in the past, so I can't believe that this extreme libertarian position is being advanced in good faith.

Is Texas creating these shooters? Assign blame where it is due. Given that the next serious push for gun control will precipitate an enormous increase in gun buying, we might as well just blame the bill authors and charge them with murder.
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May 25 2022 04:49pm
Quote (thundercock @ 26 May 2022 00:38)
You're right that they lack perspective and empathy. That's not their problem, it's yours. They will continue voting for things that benefit them and not give a second thought to all the shit that other people have to deal with. The onus is on you to show them the way since you're the one who wants change and they couldn't care less.


that would be 100% fine and correct itself - IF the system wasn't incredibly rigged in their favour. if dead kids don't do the trick, obviously nothing will. maybe if people started shooting rich people's kids in private schools, if people started setting republicans' mansions and villas on fire, poisoned their water, polluted their air, maybe then conservatives would realise there is a problem? skinned is spot on about conservatives having to be affected themselves in order to address obvious issues...
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#255
May 25 2022 05:07pm
In case anyone doesn't know yet.
The illegal invader shooter was also a tranny.
Shocked I say, shocked.

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May 25 2022 05:41pm
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In case anyone doesn't know yet.
The illegal invader shooter was also a tranny.
Shocked I say, shocked.

https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aGzobXX_700b.jpg



already posted about it, the "future" is history:

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#257
May 25 2022 05:44pm
Quote (fender @ May 25 2022 04:08pm)
nice dodge on the incarceration numbers, and your pathetic attempt at portraying them as justified and reasonable, lol.
there are countless ways of trying to measure the concept of "freedom", dozens of rankings from various different institutes, and none ranks the US even close to the top. in terms of individual freedoms in particular, you often rank significantly lower than your peers. i just picked the first one i came across, feel free to counter with a study of YOUR choosing, oh wait, you can't...
and again, my main point: your guns do not contribute in any positive way to whatever actual "freedom" you have, quite the opposite...


You picked the first link you came across, but as to what the methodology is, you have no idea. Is this how you source most of your information?

People are jailed when they commit crimes. Drug offenses are crimes. The war on drugs was very popular when it launched, and it received the full-throated support of the NAACP, terrified by what drugs were doing to black neighborhoods. Sometimes well-intentioned laws have bad consequences. But that's only a piece of the incarceration problem. Fundamentally, to decrease the incarcerated population, you either need to reduce sentencing or reduce crime. Reduced sentencing is suitable in select cases, but not as a rule, as NYC and others are finding out. So to reduce incarceration, we need to reduce crime. Which at the end of the day means more policing, not less.
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May 25 2022 05:49pm
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You picked the first link you came across, but as to what the methodology is, you have no idea. Is this how you source most of your information?

People are jailed when they commit crimes. Drug offenses are crimes. The war on drugs was very popular when it launched, and it received the full-throated support of the NAACP, terrified by what drugs were doing to black neighborhoods. Sometimes well-intentioned laws have bad consequences. But that's only a piece of the incarceration problem. Fundamentally, to decrease the incarcerated population, you either need to reduce sentencing or reduce crime. Reduced sentencing is suitable in select cases, but not as a rule, as NYC and others are finding out. So to reduce incarceration, we need to reduce crime. Which at the end of the day means more policing, not less.


what part of "they all come to similar conclusions, with the US reliably ranking well below the freest countries (many of which european)" do you not understand?

also, if you had the slightest clue about the actual motives and background of the war on drugs, how and where it was enforced, the sentencing disparity between crack and powder cocaine, you'd be embarrassed to even try and portray it as "well-intentioned law". it might have been sold as such, but the reality is so much darker. do some research, buddy.

again, my main point: your guns do not contribute in any positive way to whatever actual "freedom" you have, quite the opposite...
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#259
May 25 2022 05:54pm
Quote (sirthom @ May 25 2022 04:07pm)
In case anyone doesn't know yet.
The illegal invader shooter was also a tranny.
Shocked I say, shocked.

https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aGzobXX_700b.jpg


Yes. The person that was bullied half thier life went out and shot people.

Good thing it was in texas where this was a hefty dose of karma anyway.
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#260
May 25 2022 05:54pm
Quote (fender @ May 25 2022 07:49pm)
what part of "they all come to similar conclusions, with the US reliably ranking well below the freest countries (many of which european)" do you not understand?

also, if you had the slightest clue about the actual motives and background of the war on drugs, how and where it was enforced, the sentencing disparity between crack and powder cocaine, you'd be embarrassed to even try and portray it as "well-intentioned law". it might have been sold as such, but the reality is so much darker. do some research, buddy.

again, my main point: your guns do not contribute in any positive way to whatever actual "freedom" you have, quite the opposite...


So post one that comes to a similar conclusion and walk me through the methodology. Or just post the methodology, something better than random numbers on a page with the hashtag "Trust me".

Yes, the war on drugs was a nefarious attempt to re-enslave the Negro, perpetuated by elites in dark, smoke-filled rooms. So nefarious that it was launched with the whole-hearted support of the black community. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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