Quote (IceMage @ Dec 4 2021 03:22pm)

You mean like the dogmatic belief in a woman's bodily autonomy, no matter what new information we learn about the fetus's ability to feel pain? Let's not pretend the only dogmatic among us are religious people.

I don't know that new information is relevant here. Some either do not think an unborn human has moral value, or it does have moral value, but a woman's bodily autonomy is something the state can't violate, even to protect the unborn. And those on my side believe that the unborn life has moral value and it's acceptable for the state to punish those who intentionally end that life.

Quote (IceMage @ 5 Dec 2021 00:22)

Putting "religious" in front of morals/values doesn't suddenly make them illegitimate. It doesn't matter whether someone believes in protecting the lives of the unborn or implementing a universal healthcare system becausethey're influenced by their religious beliefs. And many things the state does, which you support, restrict the rights and freedoms of people in some way. That's what the state does... restricts freedoms and imposes costs because of some rationale.

So, while you support restricting freedoms and imposing costs on people in the name of a universal healthcare system, I support restricting freedoms and imposing costs in the name of protecting the lives of the unborn.

I haven't thought deeply about what the woman should be charged with, but the woman and whoever performs the abortion should face criminal punishment, of course.



You mean like the dogmatic belief in a woman's bodily autonomy, no matter what new information we learn about the fetus's ability to feel pain? Let's not pretend the only dogmatic among us are religious people.

I don't know that new information is relevant here. Some either do not think an unborn human has moral value, or it does have moral value, but a woman's bodily autonomy is something the state can't violate, even to protect the unborn. And those on my side believe that the unborn life has moral value and it's acceptable for the state to punish those who intentionally end that life.

Quote (IceMage @ Dec 4 2021 03:31pm)

People are just replacing religion with destructive populist ideologies. A dignified Christian-influenced conservatism has become a group of cruel, anti-democratic lunatics. And a pragmatic, culturally-moderate liberalism is becoming a culturally-radical progressivism. In a few years you'll be begging the Bible thumpers to come back around.

Quote (inkanddagger @ Dec 4 2021 04:03pm)

Most conservatives should be aborted.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Dec 5 2021 01:36am)

The best way to reduce abortions is not to prohibit it, but to explain, educate and prevent, so that women can choose when and with whom they become pregnant. Prohibit is a regression.

Quote (sirthom @ Dec 3 2021 04:35am)

Killing babies is bad.

Anyone who can't say this doesn't deserve a seat at the table.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Dec 4 2021 02:25pm)

If you were unconscious, would I protest to protect you or allow to you be aborted because you aren't a conscious entity yet?