I don't necessarily disagree with the assessment that he gave. I think the benefit of no-bail exceeds the consequences. Yea, you're going to have fuckups like this one but how many poor people have gotten fucked by the bail system? Does it need fine tuning? Absolutely. But the principle of it makes sense.

Let's take Kyle Rittenhouse for example. Did it make ANY sense for him to require bail? Was he going to run away? Was he a danger to society? His family probably had to pay in the high 5 figures/low six figures in fees in order to secure a 2 million dollar bond.

The majority of people incarcerated any any given time are not convicted and spend months in jail. A simple accusation is enough to financially ruin them because they will lose their job, probably their house, and oh look an innocent person is now on the streets and technically a criminal because theyre sleeping in public

i got no beef with goom. i don't actually doubt your intellect like some others around here

Widow has been dead for like half a decade dude.

The big question is, can we design a bail system that doesn't ruin innocent men but somewhat reliably weeds out guys like Darrell Brooks? In other words: is a fairer middle ground feasible between progressive no bail at all pipedreams and the rigid status quo with all its racial disparities?

Seems to me at least today crowder’s team did a much better job at reporting than people who’s job title includes the word “reporter”. Understand he is a political commentator who completely blew cnn away so far on this particular story.

This is a clear example of where bail reform caused an absolute massacre. The man was on bail for running somebody over, gets a ridiculously low bail and then commits the same violent crime with easily ten fold the consequences. This isn’t even a no bail system, just a “reformed” bail system.

In states like New York this man wouldn’t even have waited in county for an arraignment for bail to be set. It would have been fingerprints paperwork and out the front door. Every criminal minded individual knows for a fact they are being held by the honor system, even when it comes to most violent felonies.




Not being convicted doesn’t mean they are innocent by any means. Most of these people are given a conditional release, probation. Probation means if conditions are met there is no conviction, or a dramatically reduced conviction. This does happen but not anywhere near the extent to where we need to leave gaping holes for any Darrel brooks to get out to go about his business.

This is clearly a case where the system failed and it should be addressed. Having said that, the net benefit on society is likely positive. The old system caused way too much damage.

Its clearly being applied wildly, in cases where its completely illogical to give bail. This has been the recurring theme throughout the whole country
Liberal activists get into positions of power and want to reduce the number of black people in jail and prison as a means of reducing incarceration rates.
They find out that bail already worked with a logical and proportionate system that gave first-time offenders and people who aren't dangers to society a break, but locked up recidivist felons
And the reason incarceration rates were so high is because the country is filled with -lots- of recidivist felons. Turns out the country has a crime problem, not a criminalization problem
So how do they accomplish their task? They apply it to the recidivist felons, and give them free breaks

We've been getting daily examples of this on the minneapolis crimewatch feed. You can just scroll through their twitter and see how virtually every name who comes up is someone who had 30+ arrests and was sprung out of jail on their 31st offense despite a history of violence and bail jumping. Up until they murder someone. Example from 19 hours ago: Michael Lynn Allen, 38, of st paul. 31 prior convictions, 10 prior felonies, in custody on 2 felony warrants and sex offender registry violations and theft. History of burglary, assaults, fraud, strangulation, DUI, etc. Got set loose every time, and got set loose on his latest arrest. Andrew Donnell Ellis, 58, of st paul. 16 prior convictions, 10 prior felonies, almost all burglaries. Arrested on burglary again, set free pending court date again. I gotta stress the part where these catch and release career criminals are getting arrested numerous times per day. I can't say if Waukesha has it as deep as we do, but they're clearly cut from the same philosophy of criminal justice reform, led by the coastal states and spreading to the midwest years ago. The idea that someone with a history of bail jumping and violent felonies could be set free on a $1000 bond is like saying water is wet around here

Its just basic cause and effect. Liberals fully embraced the revolving door prison system that conservatives accused them of wanting back in the 80s. Now its an unironic full blown version of this;

what can we do to stop black mass murderers serial killers and terrorists?