Calling for the abolishment of the Electoral College and being pro-Popular Vote as it's currently understood are not complimentary or dependent positions. Single-vote elections also do a major disservice to our democracy and further protect the false narrative of a political binary.

of course. and yet people are rarely pro something that hurts them. politically, financially, etc.

what % of knowing popular vote gives them a massive advantage in potus elections is motivating liberals in calling for the end of the EC? what % motivation is the 2016 loss? what % is a frank logical and moral judgement of the EC system in earnest?

different amounts for different people. somewhere out there is just an angry HRC fanboy. somewhere out there is a conservative who thinks the EC is morally wrong, and knows it will make their side lose. etc.

in any case the arguments dont need to be connected for connection to being liberal to be nearly 100% correlated. nearly 100% correlation isnt causation, but its god damn interesting.

I can't speak for anyone but myself. But, I genuinely recognize that our voting system, including the Electoral College, really fucks over our democracy.

I'm neither a Republican nor a Democrat, but Winner Take All allocation of EC votes here in California is absolute trash. There's millions of people in California who vote Republican every 4 years and it literally is such a mockery of democracy that their votes go to waste. As I said in a previous post, voting Republican in California has as much weight and significance as writing-in "Handcuffs" (Which, to be fair, such a write-in is 100% a good idea and vote well spent).

I dislike the Electoral College because it favors land mass over individual voters, protects the hyper partisan two-party system, and disenfranchises voters purely based off of their geographic location. Having something like Instant Run-off Voting is massively better than single-vote elections, and it would allow Republicans and other right-ring ideologues to have more political power. Do I hold the position I do in spite of this right-wing power because it also adds to left-wing power? No. That's some weird quid pro quo partisan cuck shit.

I hold the position I do because it's the right thing to do. It has the most integrity. It values voters as a whole, not just the voters I align with. It's the most fair and democratic.

id write you in if i lived in Cali my friend

I'm not sure if the EC is doing what people think it's doing (giving rural states an unequal say). Yes, that's true in the raw sense but how often do people campaign in North Dakota, Kansas, etc.? It's probably similar to non-rural, small states such as Rhode Island, Delaware, and Connecticut. In presidential elections, you typically focus on a handful of swing states because that's where you get the most bang for your buck. Everything else is in the bag so why campaign in rural states? If anything, a popular vote initiative would shift power to metropolitan areas from SWING states. But is that really a bad thing? Why should Florida ALWAYS dictate the policies of this country?

I've always been a fan of dividing a state's electoral votes either by Congressional district or state-wide popular vote. However, almost no state will do this because it goes against their interests. I think the only states that would do this are states that used to be swing states but are trending to safe states (Ohio, Virginia, etc.).

i think i have 2 points:

1. red, blue, and purple states aren't stagnant. sure SOME are, but many states fluctuate all of the time. so minority votes still matter in many places in the US to help push these trends or fight these trends.

2. in order to really say a vote is wasted popular vote overall and EC votes need to be out of whack. if a potus gets 55% of the EC votes and 54% of the popular votes thats not out of whack. something like 75% ec but only 51% of popular votes is what i mean.

really only in extremely locked up states are votes truly "wasted", and when we see Texas, South Carolina, Georgia, etc all looking more and more purple it seems Blue coastal states are the only ones that are really locked up.

in any case i think we have a better chance of ratifying North California as a state than ridding us of the EC.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Sep 25 2020 01:34pm

I think the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact will go into effect far sooner than North California or Jefferson State ever become a thing.

It's funny because I think there are more Republican voters in CA than any other state. Hell, the number of GOP voters in CA is larger than the population of all but 5 STATES I think.

and notice how little attention is paid to that “unfair” situation in the media etc.