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#251
Jan 17 2026 02:42am
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So you don't really know but believe on a basis of "its sounds plausible".

That kind of thinking is for peasants and prehistoric cave men. Intelligent and secure people don't need to lie to themselves or others and speculate about things we have no knowledge of. The ego centric and lacking people want to pretend like they have the answers so they fill the mystery box with "because magic". Why is it raining its because we did a rain dance and sacrificed a sheep to the god who was pleased and made the sky water. How did human race come about? Simple our god rubbed some sticks together and farted life into us duh. Or did you think we were made out of pure chance do you know how crazy you sound? Don't question our story again or after you die you will be put in to a pool of lava where you will burn forever you dont want that do you?

You are dealing with the vast universe and infinite time scale no one knows jack shit even science calls its findings as "theories". Whats a trillion years to you even mean?
I suppose it can be fun to speculate that we were made by some powerful entity or by some super advanced race of aliens who mastered cloning technology well beyond our understanding and are watching us under a microscope somewhere in a giant laboratory right now. But to me they are just fun thought experiments nothing more. I hope you are mature enough to see that also.


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So you don't really know but believe on a basis of "its sounds plausible".

That kind of thinking is for peasants and prehistoric cave men.


I was talking about the origin of God - whether he existed 'forever' or not. Also, I never said I believe that God always existed, I just said that it is definitely more possible that he existed forever, than that the physical realm existed forever (which we know doesn't).
I personally have no idea about God's origin, and I don't pretend like I do.

I made it crystal clear when I wrote:
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Now, am I claiming that God has existed forever? I am not claiming anything, I don't know, I can't make such a bold claim

Yet still, you decided to put words in my mouth and state that I believe that.

All I did was point out the fallacy of your statement in your post #17 'if immaterial God can exist 'forever' then physical realm can also exist forever'. That is just wrong.
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#252
Jan 17 2026 02:46am
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I am largely ignoring you because you bore me with your obtuse thought process and childish antics.

You asked me a loaded question and I replied in kind. You got mad when your own logic is used against you. I think you are too lazy and too afraid to challenge your beliefs so you choose comforting lies instead. Can't teach old dog new tricks, stay safe and cozy attend your bible club and sing your songs but religion will eventually die off and you along with it.

Religion is a money making business, billions are being made by the institution those extravagant churches and temples dont pay for themselves. Taxes aren't being paid how do you suppose the religious institutions aquired so much real estate and money? Surely you didn't think it was through the power of love and friendship alone? Its a very lucrative con you are just too naive to do some digging.

The rest is gibberish some random bible passage don't know what you on about there.


your tactics fail. a barrel of red herring wont win either

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Voltaire, in his voluminous writings against Christianity and the Bible, predicted in 1776, “One hundred years from my day, there will not be a Bible on earth except one that is looked upon by an antiquarian curiosity-seeker.” As the story alleges, within fifty years after his death, in an ironic twist of Providence, the very house in which he once lived and wrote was used by the Evangelical Society of Geneva as a storehouse for Bibles and Gospel tracts and the printing presses he used to print his irreverent works was used to print Bibles.

Voltaire’s Prediction, Home, and the Bible Society: Truth or Myth? Further Evidence of Verification
https://crossexamined.org/voltaires-prediction-home-and-the-bible-society-truth-or-myth-further-evidence-of-verification/
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#253
Jan 17 2026 02:49am
Durr God was born from Mom and Dad God. Either that or he asexually reproduced himself. Or maybe he's just a hip thing to think about when ppl have time to spare.
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#254
Jan 17 2026 03:10am
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Durr God was born from Mom and Dad God. Either that or he asexually reproduced himself. Or maybe he's just a hip thing to think about when ppl have time to spare.


Remember TV was invented not very long ago.

Ancient people didn't have Netflix or video games to kill their time with. No they sat around the campfire and talked shit all night drinking fermented goat juice until they passed out. After thousands of years they invented plenty of bullshit stories to entertain themselves with.
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#255
Jan 17 2026 04:20am
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I was talking about the origin of God - whether he existed 'forever' or not. Also, I never said I believe that God always existed, I just said that it is definitely more possible that he existed forever, than that the physical realm existed forever (which we know doesn't).
I personally have no idea about God's origin, and I don't pretend like I do.

I made it crystal clear when I wrote:

Yet still, you decided to put words in my mouth and state that I believe that.

All I did was point out the fallacy of your statement in your post #17 'if immaterial God can exist 'forever' then physical realm can also exist forever'. That is just wrong.


I didn't put words in your mouth. You probably misunderstood what I was referring to. I was tring to say that for some reason you find it more possibe for magic god to be forever over the physical realm to exist forever. One sounds more plausible to you even though you may not necessarily believe that. Yet they are just as equally plausible

Maybe you have a hard time imagining that matter changes form. For example a rock will one day turn into dust and that dust will become a tree then those particles will form micro organisms that will one day turn back to rocks. Its all cyclical, one day our planet might disintegrate and the sun burn up then we will float in space. The universe might contract then explode into trillions of stars over and over like a beating heart expand contract then expand again in perpetuity.
We cannot tell from our tiny vantage point and time scale.

Otherwise you would have to entertain the idea that something can come from nothing.

Also you didnt point out any fallacies you just stated that "believing that physical realm has existed forever is just wrong" without any backup.

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#256
Jan 17 2026 04:35am
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I didn't put words in your mouth. You probably misunderstood what I was referring to. I was tring to say that for some reason you find it more possibe for magic god to be forever over the physical realm to exist forever. One sounds more plausible to you even though you may not necessarily believe that. Yet they are just as equally plausible

Maybe you have a hard time imagining that matter changes form. For example a rock will one day turn into dust and that dust will become a tree then those particles will form micro organisms that will one day turn back to rocks. Its all cyclical, one day our planet might disintegrate and the sun burn up then we will float in space. The universe might contract then explode into trillions of stars over and over like a beating heart expand contract then expand again in perpetuity.
We cannot tell from our tiny vantage point and time scale.

Otherwise you would have to entertain the idea that something can come from nothing.

Also you didnt point out any fallacies you just stated that "believing that physical realm has existed forever is just wrong" without any backup.


it's not that something comes from nothing precisely(often refereed to as ex nihlo to say the created order began to exist), everything created comes from the will of the uncreated eternal God though His activities (energia) as an outpouring of His love. in your proposed worldview, everything is uncreated and seemingly deterministic, unless you can explain free will within your own worldview that has zero account for the non-material already.

we can both start with a presupposition and it's equally valid starting point as all worldview necessarily must start this way, yours is the universe itself is eternal and uncreated and mine is the universe is created by an eternal and uncreated God. which worldview better accounts for world as we know it? which one coherently explains everything.

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#257
Jan 17 2026 04:45am
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You follow a woman priest?

I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
 1 Timothy 2:12

Thats the opposite of what you are supposed to do. You are not following a book you are following other people on facebook. Thats actually pathetic


gonna have to agree with this there are no real women priests, but it's due to Christ choosing male apostles and the order of laying on hands is necessarily that way. he belongs to some protestant church that just does whatever they want i guess

Woman can have roles in the Church but Christianity is necessarily a patriarchy.

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#258
Jan 17 2026 04:50am
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I didn't put words in your mouth. You probably misunderstood what I was referring to. I was tring to say that for some reason you find it more possibe for magic god to be forever over the physical realm to exist forever. One sounds more plausible to you even though you may not necessarily believe that. Yet they are just as equally plausible

Maybe you have a hard time imagining that matter changes form. For example a rock will one day turn into dust and that dust will become a tree then those particles will form micro organisms that will one day turn back to rocks. Its all cyclical, one day our planet might disintegrate and the sun burn up then we will float in space. The universe might contract then explode into trillions of stars over and over like a beating heart expand contract then expand again in perpetuity.
We cannot tell from our tiny vantage point and time scale.

Otherwise you would have to entertain the idea that something can come from nothing.

Also you didnt point out any fallacies you just stated that "believing that physical realm has existed forever is just wrong" without any backup.


You did put words into my mouth. I said 'it is more likely to believe...' and you then said that 'I believe...'.
'it is more likely to believe' ≠ 'I believe'.
So in fact, you misunderstood what I was saying.

Also, we've never ever seen the universe contracting, we've only seen it expanding (by that I mean galaxies moving father and farther from each other).

Btw, the rock example isn't very good, because technically, the rock itself will not become a tree, it's just that the tree seed itself will fall into that dust and grow into a tree by feeding of that dust. (so a seed will become the tree, not the rock)

It's like saying an antelope will become a lion because lion will eat it.

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Also you didnt point out any fallacies you just stated that "believing that physical realm has existed forever is just wrong" without any backup.

I mean, it's obvious that the universe (or universes) with infinite past creates a progress paradox.
If the past is infinite, than the present should never come.

Believing in the universe(s) with the infinite past requires a MUCH bigger leap of faith than believing in God.

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#259
Jan 17 2026 05:57am
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I have posted many contradictions that you weren't able to fully disprove only defense you have is what you think they say and a whole lot of mental gymnastics.

Didn't void the argument because you are asking for me to be omnipotent and use a crystal ball to go back to the first human and relate back to you how they were created. And pretty sure neither can you.
You Christians are dirty charlatans playing tricks trying to reframe the onus on the others. We are simply denying your claims. I cannot deny gravity or electricity because they are provable but I can deny santa claus, jesus and Casper the friendly ghost because they have no proof. Thats like saying you have no proof that Buddha isn't real.

Unless you can provide evidence to the contrary I suggest you close up shop on your imaginary wizard club and stop peddling lies.
This thread wiil keep delivering and exposing the liars. Thanks for stopping by


Oh the argument is void because you don't have a clue on how our why you exist.

I know exactly how you are alive today and that's thanks to God.

All off your attempts at a contradiction involved modern context and I provided you the Hebrew context (which is the actual context it is written in).

You just aren't right buddy, and you won't be. The bible does not contradict itself, Gods word is true, and he does in fact exist, which thank goodness. The thought of no one to save us from this evil and fallen world would be terrible.
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#260
Jan 17 2026 06:14am
Quote (TiStuff @ Jan 16 2026 09:39pm)
'atheists dont believe in mathmatics they believe in a wild azz throw of the dice and magical morphing monkeys


I guess that is why they are dodging my comment.
They cant handle facts.
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