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Aug 14 2024 09:22pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Aug 14 2024 07:07pm)
Now that the right admit that the only thing that matters now is chromosomes and that genitalia now have nothing to do with it (The exact opposite of what they have been saying for a decade).. its simple, bone marrow transplants can change dna, you can switch to xy, keep your full female reproductive system and gooms will have to concede you are a man.
Pretty simple really.
The right won this argument, xy = man, vagina, overies, periods, and pregnancy all inclusive.


This is completely delusional

Quick Google search..

https://www.giftoflife.org/posts/post/can-a-blood-stem-cell-or-marrow-transplant-change-your-dna#:~:text=Since%20the%20change%20in%20DNA,the%20identity%20of%20the%20recipient.

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This is completely delusional


To be fair, the premise of what he is saying is very accurate to how the goal posts change when transphobia is involved.
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Aug 14 2024 09:36pm
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To be fair, the premise of what he is saying is very accurate to how the goal posts change when transphobia is involved.


It's not accurate though. Our position is exactly the same as Richard Dawkins' position: sex is completely binary and is rooted in DNA and gametes - this also carries over directly to reproductive organs, but extremely rare genetic disorders have always existed and we've never denied it. The exception doesn't invalidate the rule. If someone is born with 5 fingers, that doesn't invalidate the fact that humans have 4 fingers. A cat born without a dewclaw doesn't mean that cats don't have dewclaws. It means that it's possible for a cat to not have a dewclaw due to a genetic disorder. It's a disorder by definition. This is literally the same as every biologist until clown world came along and it became a danger to say out loud, less they be fired.

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Aug 14 2024 09:41pm
You lot trying to pretend you have not spent the last ten years saying "2 genders penis and vagina" is peak fiction.
No one became a dna expert until imane khalef came along.
It was always "check their pants".
Intersex people are likely to make up 1.6% of the population, when you apply that to 8 billion people thats a MASSIVE number, its not an exception, its not much rarer than red hair.
In my country data shows it is LESS common to have red hair than an intersex condition, when i was working still i would probably see 2-3 gingers a day.
A good portion of people you share a bathroom with are probably intersex.

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Aug 14 2024 09:43pm
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You lot trying to pretend you have not spent the last ten years saying "2 genders penis and vagina" is peak fiction.
No one became a dna expert until imane khalef came along.
It was always "check their pants".


It is you who is making stuff up in bad faith. You know what gametes are, but you're playing stupid.
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Aug 14 2024 09:45pm
Quote (El1te @ Aug 15 2024 01:43pm)
It is you who is making stuff up in bad faith. You know what gametes are, but you're playing stupid.


I got warned last time i responded to a post like this so i will disagree and pass on replying further.
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Aug 14 2024 09:45pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Aug 14 2024 08:41pm)
You lot trying to pretend you have not spent the last ten years saying "2 genders penis and vagina" is peak fiction.
No one became a dna expert until imane khalef came along.
It was always "check their pants".
Intersex people are likely to make up 1.6% of the population, when you apply that to 8 billion people thats a MASSIVE number, its not an exception, its not much rarer than red hair.


More like 0.018%.

Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

Very rare.
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Aug 14 2024 09:46pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Aug 14 2024 08:45pm)
I got warned last time i responded to a post like this so i will disagree and pass on replying further.


Yeah because you have no argument without resorting to flaming and personal attacks 👍
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Aug 14 2024 09:47pm
Quote (El1te @ Aug 14 2024 10:36pm)
It's not accurate though. Our position is exactly the same as Richard Dawkins' position: sex is completely binary and is rooted in DNA and gametes - this also carries over directly to reproductive organs, but extremely rare genetic disorders have always existed and we've never denied it. The exception doesn't invalidate the rule. If someone is born with 5 fingers, that doesn't invalidate the fact that humans have 4 fingers. A cat born without a dewclaw doesn't mean that cats don't have dewclaws. It means that it's possible for a cat to not have a dewclaw due to a genetic disorder. It's a disorder by definition. This is literally the same as every biologist until clown world came along and it became a danger to say out loud, less they be fired.


I think the most apt way to dismiss the red herring arguments of mutations is that 99.999%+ of people conform 99.999%+ to a binary sex. If a story is about someone purporting to be magically non-conforming intersex, they aren't. Can probably count the total number of true cases in the world on that 4 fingered hand. Just because a biological male is born with a genital disorder doesn't change their sex, they still conform to a binary sex in their basic biology.
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Aug 14 2024 09:49pm
Quote (El1te @ Aug 15 2024 01:45pm)
More like 0.018%.

Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

Very rare.


Ah yes, because if you ignore a bunch of intersex conditions like klinefelter which IS an intersex condition making males much more female in appearance intersex conditions become much rarer.
Like how if you ignore gun murders in america murder becomes a lot less common.

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