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Oct 9 2018 12:23pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Oct 9 2018 10:00am)
Logic doesn't work on these people.

Nixon was right at Kent State.


If you hate American values you should leave. Our Constitution is very explicit.

Quote (SBD @ Oct 9 2018 10:05am)
I don't care if you're white purple black or green. If the green people are more statistically likley to commit crime they will receive more patdowns.

If I'm statistically more likley to be shot on one street than the other I go on the other, I don't care what color people are on x street.

Sorry that's a case of profiling but that's just how it is.

If my job is to protect and serve ill statistically have better odds of doing so by targeting groups with a higher tendency to be involved in criminal activity would I not? I mean it's a pat down were talking about. I get a free one once a month at the airport it's great.

Now If you're arresting someone with no evidence, than yes that is very wrong.



You, too. This violates our Constitution. I urge you to move somewhere without due process laws.
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Oct 9 2018 12:25pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ Oct 9 2018 02:23pm)
If you hate American values you should leave. Our Constitution is very explicit.




You, too. This violates our Constitution. I urge you to move somewhere without due process laws.


The constitution was only meant to be upheld by a moral religious people. That excludes you, not me.
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Oct 9 2018 12:26pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ Oct 9 2018 02:23pm)
If you hate American values you should leave. Our Constitution is very explicit.




You, too. This violates our Constitution. I urge you to move somewhere without due process laws.


I suggest to you the same.
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Oct 9 2018 12:31pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Oct 9 2018 11:25am)
The constitution was only meant to be upheld by a moral religious people. That excludes you, not me.


Moral religious people like Thomas Jefferson?
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Oct 9 2018 12:31pm
if anything your constitution is pretty outdated.
If you are lucky you get a new one soon.
Dont ask what Germans did to get to rewrite theirs...
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Oct 9 2018 12:33pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 9 2018 12:16pm)
We live in a time when cops are more accountable than ever, better behaved then ever, and our personal rights during interactions with the police are more strictly protected than ever (mass state surveillance, on the other hand...)
Yet even with that, the anti-cop narrative has skyrocketed. Why now? Why not before Terry or before Miranda, or during the racial profiling heyday?
I don't think that can be handwaved as due to internet meme magic


Of course it can. we live in the most polarized time ever, with the most scrutiny on public figures of all kinds ever.

if you were a celeb in the 50s you could have a collection of severed kids heads an no one would ever know, now everyone knows about the time you awkwardly touched a boob in 5th grade thanks to the metoo movement.

presidents have gotten away with high treason and subverted the will of the people for hundreds of years, now trump can't escape the spotlight no matter what he does.

journalistic integrity is at an all time low, news consumption is at an all time high.

cops are better than ever, and scrutinized more than ever.

corporations are held liable for issues from customer service to quality control, despite both being the best they've ever been.

i could go on for hours man, but do i really need more examples to illustrate that the internet is the common denominator in all of these highly increasing trends of scrutiny in the face of declining issues?

Quote (EndlessSky @ Oct 9 2018 12:25pm)
The constitution was only meant to be upheld by a moral religious people. That excludes you, not me.


why don't you go research some eastern medicine woohoo just like the founding fathers meant for you to do.

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Of course it can. we live in the most polarized time ever, with the most scrutiny on public figures of all kinds ever.

if you were a celeb in the 50s you could have a collection of severed kids heads an no one would ever know, now everyone knows about the time you awkwardly touched a boob in 5th grade thanks to the metoo movement.

presidents have gotten away with high treason and subverted the will of the people for hundreds of years, now trump can't escape the spotlight no matter what he does.

journalistic integrity is at an all time low, news consumption is at an all time high.

cops are better than ever, and scrutinized more than ever.

corporations are held liable for issues from customer service to quality control, despite both being the best they've ever been.

i could go on for hours man, but do i really need more examples to illustrate that the internet is the common denominator in all of these highly increasing trends of scrutiny in the face of declining issues?


and yet that spotlight conspicuously fails to shine on crime and its victims?
how come when the story is "black kids steal an SUV and lead police on a chase and then crash and kill two photogenic white bystanders after the cops stopped chasing them", the social media buzz can be typified as "omg cops caused this by chasing them, police chases should result in murder charges for cops~". When we experience a historic amount of ambush murders of police, it gets no traction. Can you name a single cop who's been murdered by black nationalists without googling it? Because I can sure rattle off names of black men.
the internet meme magic doesn't scrutinize the same conduct that the media spent the 1980s fearmongering about. We don't get Willie Hortons anymore, we get Trayvon Martins.

You see internet as steering culture, but I see it as reflecting culture. Amplifying it, sure. Taking our 24/7 news cycle to its logical maximum until the feeding frenzies become orgies. But the social trends, they can't be explained away as a product of just how fast information is being shared.

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Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 9 2018 11:39am)
and yet that spotlight conspicuously fails to shine on crime and its victims?
how come when the story is "black kids steal an SUV and lead police on a chase and then crash and kill two photogenic white bystanders after the cops stopped chasing them", the social media buzz can be typified as "omg cops caused this by chasing them, police chases should result in murder charges for cops~". When we experience a historic amount of ambush murders of police, it gets no traction. Can you name a single cop who's been murdered by black nationalists without googling it? Because I can sure rattle off names of black men.

the internet meme magic doesn't scrutinize the same conduct that the media spent the 1980s fearmongering about. We don't get Willie Hortons anymore, we get Trayvon Martins.


Cops are criminals and the media is doing a fantastic job lately of exposing crime and its victims.
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Oct 9 2018 12:47pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 9 2018 12:39pm)
and yet that spotlight conspicuously fails to shine on crime and its victims?
how come when the story is "black kids steal an SUV and lead police on a chase and then crash and kill two photogenic white bystanders after the cops stopped chasing them", the social media buzz can be typified as "omg cops caused this by chasing them, police chases should result in murder charges for cops~". When we experience a historic amount of ambush murders of police, it gets no traction. Can you name a single cop who's been murdered by black nationalists without googling it? Because I can sure rattle off names of black men.
the internet meme magic doesn't scrutinize the same conduct that the media spent the 1980s fearmongering about. We don't get Willie Hortons anymore, we get Trayvon Martins.

You see internet as steering culture, but I see it as reflecting culture. Amplifying it, sure. Taking our 24/7 news cycle to its logical maximum until the feeding frenzies become orgies. But the social trends, they can't be explained away as a product of just how fast information is being shared.


Well, i used the examples i used for a reason. celebs are getting better as a result of bad apples being removed, presidents and those in power are better as a result of exposure, corporations and cops are the same. and yet our scrutiny of all of them grows. people trust ALL of those groups less today, while in reality they're all objectively more trust worthy. if we're being honest with ourselves Trump is a far better president, democratically, than Andrew Jackson. and he's had one hundred fold the oversight. yet he's literally hitler.

what i'm saying is that the internet causes people to scrutinize authority in direct contrast to the trends of those authority figures. but i'm also saying that anti-authority sentiments have always been there mentally, and we've simply found our voice. I certainly don't think it could be proven that modern blacks have an increased dislike for police in any meaningful amount. The radio is just full of chatter and every dunce with half a functional IQ wants and now needs to be heard.

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Cops are criminals and the media is doing a fantastic job lately of exposing crime and its victims.


unless its one of the 1,000 victims of drive bys under the age of 10.

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Quote (inkanddagger @ Oct 9 2018 02:42pm)
Cops are criminals and the media is doing a fantastic job lately of exposing crime and its victims.


Criminals are criminals and they do a fantastic job of exposing them.

There's always multiple rotten apples on the tree and in those cases they should be tossed.

This post was edited by SBD on Oct 9 2018 12:52pm
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