Quote (balrog66 @ Nov 14 2018 03:29pm)

Let's see:
- Universal healthcare
- Tuition-free (or at least more affordable) education
- Hard-line on environmental issues (work towards 100% renewable)
- Israeli-Palestine conflict, condemning Israel when they perform crimes against humanity (controversial but less controversial in Europe)


The only one that might not be mainstream popular in Europe is her immigration stance. Most people here are weary of immigration.

Quote (CarsV @ Nov 14 2018 02:30pm)

What I find absolutely surreal about this is that he could replace every "she" with "he" and he could be talking about Trump.

Quote (djman72 @ Nov 14 2018 08:33pm)

You got the first part answered.

Quote (EndlessSky @ 14 Nov 2018 21:22)

Its strange how leftists are always obsessed with the sexuality of men

Pretty telling

Quote (djman72 @ 14 Nov 2018 21:27)

Quote (fender @ Nov 14 2018 03:36pm)

sure, after he fantasised not once but twice about me having HER DICK in my mouth, this was a totally unreasonable reaction. you are very intelligent...



perfectly sums up the actual substance and logic to your criticism. your posts are 'hacky bad meme' quality at best...

Quote (balrog66 @ Nov 14 2018 02:35pm)

Don't be so obtuse.

Many countries in Europe are successfull with low or non-existing tuitions, higher renewable power rates, universal/single payer healthcare plans, and many EU countries have tougher positions on Israel's treatment of Palestine. None of that should be surprising or uncommon knowledge.

Quote (djman72 @ Nov 14 2018 02:38pm)

dodge, pivot, strawman.

You suck at this.

Quote (CarsV @ 14 Nov 2018 21:30)

What I find absolutely surreal about this is that he could replace every "she" with "he" and he could be talking about Trump.

Quote (thesnipa @ 14 Nov 2018 21:35)

Yup. and you bet your bottom dollar that having no qualifications was a BIG problem in 2016 for Fender. now it's virtue. ha!

Quote (fender @ Nov 14 2018 02:45pm)

very true, but well, we can't possibly hold the most powerful man in the country to the same standard as a 'random congresswoman'...
he probably would just have claimed that he has the same reservations about trump (just somehow never brings them up).



who said it's virtue? you're strawmanning hard (again). you asked me what i thought made her 'qualified', and i listed a couple of points that came to my mind (none of which apply to trump btw). you're obviously free to disagree, but implying that anyone suggested it was virtuous to be unqualified is blatantly dishonest.

Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 14 2018 08:40pm)

still not applicable to the US directly, tho. an influx in lower income people has caused many of the systems across Europe to look more dicey today than 10 years ago. and we're far more economically diverse than you are, or even will by with pessimistic forecasts.

AOC's stances are for sure not shocking to Euro's, but even a Euro should be surprised she'd be so bold as to suggest they can be directly implemented in the US right away. as AOC has done.



can't get it off your brain, huh?

Quote (balrog66 @ Nov 14 2018 02:50pm)

I know it's not directly applicable to the US. I was just explaining why her positions look way less radical from our perspective. That was the argument I made that djman had a problem with. Of course direct implementation is ridiculous, but I don't think she thinks that's in the cards. She's not there to be a lawmaker, she's there to stir shit up. Pave the path for more progressive policy to be more mainstream. She's a more testimonial politician, preferring to adhere to principles instead of compromise.

Our social systems are actually fairly secure, even though many have had to tighten the belt. Population ageing (esp the babyboom generation) is a far bigger cause of these cuts to the social system than low-income immigrants. Healthcare and pension payments are increasing far more than 'handouts'. And we do want our elderly to live happily when they get older :)