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Nov 14 2018 01:04pm
Quote (fender @ Nov 14 2018 12:59pm)
my point, in case you really weren't able to identify it, is not that it's impossible to afford living near DC without legalised bribery - it's that not being able to do it, true or not, has NOTHING to do with her 'qualification' as a lawmaker and leader of the country.

while i'm not in panic mode about her like the right wing or you establishment guys, i still think there are legitimate points of criticism to be made about her.however, her personal wealth is certainly not one of those - and it's highly ironic considering how disqualifying the acceptance of corporate bribery (something that almost ALL establishment politicians that you guys shill for do) SHOULD be from the point of a reasonable citizen expecting their representatives to represent THEM.


i'd agree wholeheartedly if her personal finances were due to a personal tragedy, or even a long fought battle with poverty. that's the type of lack of money that gives character. in reality, she doesn't have money because her work experience consists of part time bartender. she isn't broke because she has a history of trying and failing to make it from month to month, she's never earnestly tried. nothing wrong with that inherantly, people work scantily in college and graduate with nothing but debt every day, I was among them. But i also don't think someone with no work history in any field even semi related to politics with no other qualifications other than a college degree should be in congress. i am not in favor of setting more strict requirements for congresspeople, but if i was forced to you can bet her age and lack of qualification would not pass such a test.

we also have to recognize this is but another speed bump she's hit, her plans have been fiscally ignorant and radical in many interviews. she's not entirely worthless, has some good points/ideas, but overall she's in the deep end with nothing but a doggy paddle keeping her head above water.

since you bolded that one phrase, what are her qualifications, exactly?

This post was edited by thesnipa on Nov 14 2018 01:04pm
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Quote (fender @ Nov 14 2018 01:59pm)
my point, in case you really weren't able to identify it, is not that it's impossible to afford living near DC without legalised bribery - it's that not being able to do it, true or not, has NOTHING to do with her 'qualification' as a lawmaker and leader of the country.

while i'm not in panic mode about her like the right wing or you establishment guys, i still think there are legitimate points of criticism to be made about her.however, her personal wealth is certainly not one of those - and it's highly ironic considering how disqualifying the acceptance of corporate bribery (something that almost ALL establishment politicians that you guys shill for do) SHOULD be from the point of a reasonable citizen expecting their representatives to represent THEM.


If she can't manage her own finances, what makes you think she can manage a country's finances?

Seriously, she's dumber than Trump, who at least has proven he can take wealth from his father and turn it into more wealth.

Liberals who aren't ashamed she won a seat have no business criticizing Trump.
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Nov 14 2018 01:07pm
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my point, in case you really weren't able to identify it, is not that it's impossible to afford living near DC without legalised bribery


>anyone who can afford to live near DC accepts bribes

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Nov 14 2018 01:43pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 14 Nov 2018 20:04)
i'd agree wholeheartedly if her personal finances were due to a personal tragedy, or even a long fought battle with poverty. that's the type of lack of money that gives character. in reality, she doesn't have money because her work experience consists of part time bartender. she isn't broke because she has a history of trying and failing to make it from month to month, she's never earnestly tried. nothing wrong with that inherantly, people work scantily in college and graduate with nothing but debt every day, I was among them. But i also don't think someone with no work history in any field even semi related to politics with no other qualifications other than a college degree should be in congress. i am not in favor of setting more strict requirements for congresspeople, but if i was forced to you can bet her age and lack of qualification would not pass such a test.

we also have to recognize this is but another speed bump she's hit, her plans have been fiscally ignorant and radical in many interviews. she's not entirely worthless, has some good points/ideas, but overall she's in the deep end with nothing but a doggy paddle keeping her head above water.

since you bolded that one phrase, what are her qualifications, exactly?


cute little pivot, but sure, let's play:

- she's uncorrupted by corporate bribery (something you just keep ignoring although it SHOULD be a massive issue in politics) - that alone distinguishes her in a positive way from most other house members.
- she seems to be principled and fighting for the exact same things that got her elected in the first place.
- she's passionate about her policies, which are not aimed at enriching herself or her fellow house members, but improving the lives of average americans.
- she has a degree in economics and international relations.

and before you inevitably start talking shit about her degree and her lack of experience (shocking surprise at her age!), maybe take a step back and try to be fair about it by comparing that to other lawmakers that you might consider 'qualified' and their track records...

also, i find it highly ironic that the right wing as well as establishment shills and media harp on about her being 'fiscally irresponsible' - while strangely never accusing the majority of politicians supporting massive corporate taxbreaks, wars, and the deregulation of wallstreet (leading to immense bailouts), of the same thing.
funny to see how this 'well we can't possibly afford THAT' idea concerning every policy that does NOT have a well funded interest group supporting it in washington and mainstream media, is so easily planted in ppl's heads, and how uncritically you tend to accept it...
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Nov 14 2018 01:52pm
Quote (fender @ Nov 14 2018 02:43pm)
cute little pivot, but sure, let's play:

- she's uncorrupted by corporate bribery (something you just keep ignoring although it SHOULD be a massive issue in politics) - that alone distinguishes her in a positive way from most other house members.
- she seems to be principled and fighting for the exact same things that got her elected in the first place.
- she's passionate about her policies, which are not aimed at enriching herself or her fellow house members, but improving the lives of average americans.
- she has a degree in economics and international relations.

and before you inevitably start talking shit about her degree and her lack of experience (shocking surprise at her age!), maybe take a step back and try to be fair about it by comparing that to other lawmakers that you might consider 'qualified' and their track records...

also, i find it highly ironic that the right wing as well as establishment shills and media harp on about her being 'fiscally irresponsible' - while strangely never accusing the majority of politicians supporting massive corporate taxbreaks, wars, and the deregulation of wallstreet (leading to immense bailouts), of the same thing.
funny to see how this 'well we can't possibly afford THAT' idea concerning every policy that does NOT have a well funded interest group supporting it in washington and mainstream media, is so easily planted in ppl's heads, and how uncritically you tend to accept it...


Holy shit, Lmao. Take her dick our of your mouth.

You don't know anything about this woman, her policies, or what she's "passionate" about. She literally has NO record. She's a greenhorn. I'm not surprised you'd swoon over her, but god damn man. She was angry that Amazon was bringing their HQ nearby because she's a moron.

I find it highly ironic that you constantly speak about things you know nothing about with such conviction.

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Nov 14 2018 01:54pm
Quote (djman72 @ Nov 14 2018 02:52pm)
Holy shit, Lmao. Take her dick our of your mouth.

You don't know anything about this woman, her policies, or what she's "passionate" about. She literally has NO record. She's a greenhorn. I'm not surprised you'd swoon over her, but god damn man. She was angry that Amazon was bringing their HQ nearby because she's a moron.

I find it highly ironic that you constantly speak about things you know nothing about with such conviction.


I think it's extraordinary that any Europeans follow our politics so closely that they know about some random Congresswoman.
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Nov 14 2018 01:55pm
Quote (fender @ Nov 14 2018 01:43pm)
cute little pivot, but sure, let's play:


pivot? from what to what? i criticized AOC, period. i even said i wouldnt make restrictions on being a congressperson. she doesnt have personal savings, because her work history is part time bartender, as ive said many times.

there is no pivot, i support people from lower circumstances making it into the legislature. i was born into poverty and know the character it builds.

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- she's uncorrupted by corporate bribery (something you just keep ignoring although it SHOULD be a massive issue in politics) - that alone distinguishes her in a positive way from most other house members.


now i'm ignorring corporate bribery? ok. i mean, ive spent years talking about how lobbying is bad, should be restricted, etc. on topics from the NRA to climate control. by-and-large im REALLY not a fan of corporate dealings in politics, so im not sure wtf ur talking about. i consider her not having corporate ties to be a good qualification, also.

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- she seems to be principled and fighting for the exact same things that got her elected in the first place.


true, and from an honestly standpoint its a plus. based on the fact that her platform, just from simple math, isn't pragmatic tho, a negative. more of a positive i suppose, honesty should be given high status.

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- she's passionate about her policies, which are not aimed at enriching herself or her fellow house members, but improving the lives of average americans.


this is by far her greatest plus.

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- she has a degree in economics and international relations.


to me this is a negative. not inherantly of course, but her fumbling of Israeli settlement questions and her healthcare plan being literally 2x the entire federal budget means she's either not that qualified or a radical in her own fields. i tend to think she has a specific knowledge set in world relations but doesnt have much in Israeli-Pal relations, so i give her a pass on that fumbling. her economics background and entirely out of whack math for her proposed plan tho leads me to believe she's either not that economically literate or lied to get votes. which would disqualify her honesty from above, if she ran on a healthcare for all plan she knows has a snowballs chance in hell thats not honest.

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and before you inevitably start talking shit about her degree and her lack of experience (shocking surprise at her age!), maybe take a step back and try to be fair about it by comparing that to other lawmakers that you might consider 'qualified' and their track records...


there are lots of lawmakers who i would consider not qualified, and i'd criticize them for it. does your post imply i wouldnt? bit odd honestly.

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also, i find it highly ironic that the right wing as well as establishment shills and media harp on about her being 'fiscally irresponsible' - while strangely never accusing the majority of politicians supporting massive corporate taxbreaks, wars, and the deregulation of wallstreet (leading to immense bailouts), of the same thing.
funny to see how this 'well we can't possibly afford THAT' idea concerning every policy that does NOT have a well funded interest group supporting it in washington and mainstream media, is so easily planted in ppl's heads, and how uncritically you tend to accept it.


frankly i just find this blob out of touch. in the senate/congress/whitehouse yes. i agree. but right winged talking heads were FURIOUS when trump signed in the omnibus spending bill on the tails of a tax cut, because it was pure deficit inflation. and they're the only party that calls for social program reform on fiscal grounds, even though they never follow through. look at endlesssky, he blames social security for literally everything.



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I think it's extraordinary that any Europeans follow our politics so closely that they know about some random Congresswoman.


he's prob just using google-fu, she's no where near international attention worthy. and there's nothing to google really lol. no track record.

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I think it's extraordinary that any Europeans follow our politics so closely that they know about some random Congresswoman.


She's not really random, she's the current media darling.

The socialist caped crusader that is gracing the tabloids like she solved our national debt.

E: but yes, i do agree that it amazing me that people outside of the US follow the politics so closely. I get staying informed but damn.... IDGAF about the day to day happenings of other countries politics.

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Nov 14 2018 01:59pm
Quote (djman72 @ 14 Nov 2018 20:52)
Holy shit, Lmao. Take her dick our of your mouth.

You don't know anything about this woman, her policies, or what she's "passionate" about. She literally has NO record. She's a greenhorn. I'm not surprised you'd swoon over her, but god damn man. She was angry that Amazon was bringing their HQ nearby because she's a moron.

I find it highly ironic that you constantly speak about things you know nothing about with such conviction.


the irony of claiming to know how much a stranger from the internet knows about a public figure is apparently lost on you, but i found it hilarious.

also, i'm sorry that i got you so triggered that you accidentally exposed you don't know shit about female anatomy...
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Nov 14 2018 02:01pm
Quote (fender @ Nov 14 2018 01:59pm)
the irony of claiming to know how much a stranger from the internet knows about a public figure is apparently lost on you, but i found it hilarious.

also, i'm sorry that i got you so triggered that you accidentally exposed you don't know shit about female anatomy...


some women have penises, you transphobic bigot.
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