you cant stop foreign voyeurs from denying math and elections

The way they manage elections is a joke, but im not sure all this shit circus will end well.

That's what you got out of my post? that i wanted party specific gun laws?

oh brother. admittedly i logged on and had about 50 notifications, didn't see you even responded.

if you'd like me to explain your embarrassing strawman for you, i can.

in language so simple even you can understand what i mean, this time, as i explain it again:

republicans are averse to the gun control talk because most crime is committed by democrats in big cities with illegal guns, but gun laws would adversely effect law abiding republicans.

you agreed that crime is largely committed by democrats in big cities, then threw a hissy fit about what % it is. which may be important if i was calling for specific policy, i wasn't. i was explaining to a presumably ignorant OP why the right is averse to gun control talks, from the most general standpoint. i was making a simple point, which you agreed with, but still felt the need to get semantic about. i don't mind, you made yourself look quite stupid.


keeping in mind i'm pro gun control laws. always important to keep that in mind, but im sure you already started your boring response rant...

This post was edited by thesnipa on Nov 12 2018 01:54pm

the fact that you misinterpret me saying 'i don't contest it because i couldn't find any data about it', asking YOU for proof, as 'agreement' speaks for itself. you had to concede that YOUR moronic question about 'percentages' (again, YOU were the one asking a very specific question) was not backed up by any data or evidence, just on simplistic and logically extremely flawed assumptionss.

republicans are averse to gun control because they are bribed to be. republicans commit plenty of gun crime, there is plenty of reason to support fighting it, even if anyone were to agree with your moronic premise that a party should oppose solutions to a problem that's allegedly more widespread amongst voters of the other party...

FENDER proven a liar again. SAD!

you agreed that the majority of crime is in cities. i'd hope you're not foolish enough to contest that cities are predomitately democratic voters. (which you of course don't, you're just scared of the implication so you lie/deflect/strawman)






of course if you stop at "gun crimes" you won't understand my point, perhaps that's by design. I clearly stated gun crimes by illegal guns in my post, which you're willfully ignoring to attack half of my point. Pretty odd, you wouldn't bother to call a hamburger patty "not a sandwitch".



and as i explained already to someone else the day of the shooting, it's a myth that GOP voters are by-and-large against permits and training, we're somewhat split on the issue with trends moving towards gun control.



and again strawman, i said that's why the TALK get's shut down. i couldn't have been more clear, you're trying to read between the lines and you're failing. I support reasonable gun control measures.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Nov 12 2018 02:13pm

the number of moronic assumptions and mental gymnastic routines you have to go through to tell yourself i contradicted myself and to deflect from the simple fact that you asked specifically about 'percentages' only to concede that you can't provide any is mindblowing. do you actually think your utterly destroyed and entirely unsupported little excuse for republican corruption came out of this unharmed? that's almost adorable...

i didn't ask for a percentage. i presented a rhetorical, and unanswerable question, to represent a generality. a "correct" answer to my question, that would have led to some discussion, would have been "most" or "half" or "not much".

this was proven to be understood by the 4 or 5 other people i talked to on the subject, none of them got confused. only you did. shocker. to be honest with you it's only dawning on my now that your mistake what that simple, admittedly i find it hard to get into a headspace that small.

when you listen to the song "what is love" do you answer?

crime happens in cities, where people are largely democrat, which spawns the need for gun laws, which affect large pockets of conservative voters that don't commit crimes and aren't in big cities (so aren't affected by crimes). and this causes them to be averse to gun control talks. my point couldn't have been any simpler, and yet you're still confused. it even led you to make a bunch of unfounded claims on GOP voter's attitudes towards gun control, and how much those attitudes are based on NRA propaganda, without any proof. how ironic.

do take not of that bold. you used face validity, to back claims you can't with evidence, in an attempt to counter claims i wasn't making, because the generality is covered in face validity. what a turn of events.

remember ?





This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Nov 12 2018 02:44pm

SNIPPY proven a liar again. SAD!

at least according to your standard that is...

concerning your latest volume of flimsy excuses i can just say this is not convincing at all. had you asked a general rhetorical question like 'who do you assume commits more crime?' or something along those lines, sure. but you were very specific, asking about 'percentages' concerning violent gun crimes, and then again about 'percentages' of violent crime committed with illegally obtained guns. that clearly suggests you had concrete data to back up what you were implying, which turned out to be not true at all. others just accepting those kinds of narratives unchallenged does not prove what you think it does, but i'm not as insecure about my intelligence as you apparently are, so whatever...

also, you repeatedly insist that it's on democrats to find a solution for the gun problem because of your unsupported assumption, completely ignoring the fact that there are plenty of republicans who are also part of the problem. no matter how often you cry 'strawman' when i expose this moronic premise, this is such a basic logical fail and such an obvious disconnect from political reality and policy making that it almost hurts...

the simple (and actually supported by FACTS) truth is that most politicians (especially republicans) are bribed by gun lobbyists - that's why they oppose solutions, not because they fear they could accidentally make the world a better place for voters of the other party...