Quote (Tjo @ Sep 16 2018 09:44pm)

No he isn't. He's reinforcing and encouraging this weakening of the West which Russia has been in a very sneaky way, propagating since at least 1968. He's got the same mentality as dictator and whip up the people's primitive emotions so that they are more suspicious of their governments and leadership than of say, Russia, or other countries in the East. Just look at the way right-wing (who support Trump, and Trump reinforce them, and similar leaders such as Orban in Hungary) travels to Russia in order to learn military skills. It is sick. It is seriously sick. Because Russia and other countries in the East cannibalize on the temporal "spiritual" bankruptcy of the West and wants us to believe that they are this old-school, moral, anti-decadence, hard-working, fair etc whereas West is just crap. I don't trust these "tough-guys" for a minute because they are only out to exalt themselves and they act like immature individuals. The Bible says that cursed is the land whose leader is a child, and I believe that quote is very wise. Just compare Merkel, with all her flaws, she is a thousand times more moral, righteous and humane than Viktor Orban. He is a wicked man, and I am not saying Trump is; because I don't believe he is; but he seems to be falling for their game. West needs to stand together, we need to recognize the many wonderful things the traditional establishment helped to do in our respective countries, and then we have to, in a mature and gracious way, recognize what they did good, and what they did not, and fix the latter. We do not need more war, especially not internal ones, what we need is to look maturely at our nations and see how we can move forward. We do not want to identify with Russia and other semi-civilized countries.

Edit: And we need to get rid of the anger. Anger is eating the west up. And it's on both sides; those who fight for the establishment and those who fight against it. But I fear that the anger is more intense on the latter side, but I might be wrong.

Quote (HeLiCaL @ Sep 17 2018 03:55am)

merkel approval rating at all time low buddy, who could have thought calling her own countrymen nazis for daring to protest violent intolerant bigots she let illegally enter the country was a bad idea

for someone claiming americans sleepy, you have your walls of text filled with wacky falsehoods

Quote (Ghot @ Sep 17 2018 03:55am)

The ONLY thing generating hate in the West these days in the libs/dems. They spend all day every day telling us who to hate and why. If anyone has succumbed to Russian persuasion it's the democrats.

Quote (Tjo @ Sep 17 2018 03:59am)

But that is blatantly not true. Hate is generated from both sides. Just look at how graciously the republicans won the 2016 elections? Ya? You think? Seem like half of them are happier that dems lost than the fact that they won. This is an attitude we do not need.
That is why I hope that this violent hatred for the establishment (all of it isnt bad, it just can't be) will cease and that we will look with more balanced on the situation. The only winner in a extremely polarized west is Russia. They love it.

Trump should unite his nation. Recognize that you are a nation, even a people, and love each other as such.

Quote (Ghot @ Sep 16 2018 07:55pm)

The ONLY thing generating hate in the West these days in the libs/dems. They spend all day every day telling us who to hate and why. If anyone has succumbed to Russian persuasion it's the democrats.

Quote (Tjo @ Sep 16 2018 09:59pm)

But that is blatantly not true. Hate is generated from both sides. Just look at how graciously the republicans won the 2016 elections? Ya? You think? Seem like half of them are happier that dems lost than the fact that they won. This is an attitude we do not need.
That is why I hope that this violent hatred for the establishment (all of it isnt bad, it just can't be) will cease and that we will look with more balanced on the situation. The only winner in a extremely polarized west is Russia. They love it.

Trump should unite his nation. Recognize that you are a nation, even a people, and love each other as such.

Quote (HeLiCaL @ Sep 17 2018 04:02am)

i noticed you mentioned russia about 20 times, are you aware that russia cant hold a candle to how scary china is?

Quote (Ghot @ Sep 17 2018 04:16am)

Here's some current hate... NOT generated by both sides. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-new-york-trump/james-ny-democratic-attorney-general-nominee-to-aim-at-trump-idUSKCN1LU129

And if you want past hate, look up Maxine Waters, or California, or New York.

Quote (Tjo @ Sep 16 2018 10:20pm)

But I have read countless bitter republicans whining over dems and spewing hatred so I do not agree with you there, it is clearly on both sides.

Quote (Tjo @ Sep 16 2018 10:20pm)

But I have read countless bitter republicans whining over dems and spewing hatred so I do not agree with you there, it is clearly on both sides.