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Aug 13 2024 01:07am
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 12 2024 08:35pm)
I'm curious why you think the connection can't be made because it's quite obviously the right word for what happened that day.

Trump's level of responsibility for the effects of COVID are a different issue, the point is that when he left office things weren't great.


And yet now with benefit of hindsight we know Trump had the correct policies on covid: Fast vaccine rollouts and not sacrificing the elderly / mass lockdowns / covering up the origins and accusing people of sinophobia. We can see how badly China erred in its covid response compared to Trump. We know how needlessly repressive the likes of Whitmer and Walz were.

Trump lost simply because of covid timing, but every single thing the democrats pushed was extremely wrong. You realize none other than Kamala Harris got up onstage in 2020 and told the audience not to trust the vaccine?
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Aug 13 2024 05:52am
Quote (IceMage @ 13 Aug 2024 03:21)
Trump left office with thousands of Americans dying per day of COVID, the economy in the shitter, and two weeks after his supporters attempted an insurrection at the Capitol.

Yeah, we're better off now. Not even close.

With the benefit of hindsight, people obviously - and correctly! - don't blame Trump for the sharp but temporary and inevitable covid recession, just like they don't give Biden credit for the jobs coming back once the economy and society opened up again. There were more covid deaths under Biden than under Trump, and that's with vaccines being readily available when Biden came in while Trump had to deal with a novel virus that we knew nothing about.

In many places with Democratic local government, schools and businesses stayed locked down well beyond the winter of 2020/21, in some cases even well into 2022. Biden and his Democrats clearly broke the campaign promise that he would quickly get the virus under control. The implicit premise that the shitty state of affairs regarding covid was largely, if not exclusively, to be blamed on Trump was proven wrong. Voters didn't know all of that in November 2020, but it became apparent by the summer of 2021. Which is also the time when Biden's approval ratings took a nosedive.



Quote (IceMage @ 13 Aug 2024 03:35)
Trump's level of responsibility for the effects of COVID are a different issue, the point is that when he left office things weren't great.

The years 2020 and 2021 were anomalies. Nowadays, in retrospect, most voters are imho comparing Trump's 2017-2019 with Biden's 2022-2024. And that comparison doesn't bode well for Biden.

Is it unfair that voters blame all of the post-covid inflation on Biden, although he's only culpable for exacerbating it while some degree of inflation was inevitable? Yes. Just like it's unfair that covid wrecked the great pre-covid economy and thus took away Trump's main argument for reelection and caused people to be generally grumpy. Both presidents were dealt a bad hand, both men played out the hand they were given in highly suboptimal fashion, both men got punished
for it by the voters.

The key question for 2024 imho is if Harris can convince voters that she's unburdened by what has been during the Biden/Harris administration.

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Aug 13 2024 09:19am
It's in the grocery store, gas pump, in the bills and cost of living
These are things that can't be hidden from the American public.
Trump proved he could lower them in 2016.I'd like to see that again.

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e-2 trump will let elon fire more space x rockets.

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Aug 13 2024 11:03am
WaPo journalist asks what the president can do to stop Trumps interview on X. MSM many moons ago used to speak to power, now they want to know how people can be muzzled.

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"What role does the White House or the president have in sort of stopping that or stopping the spread of that or sort of intervening in that? Some of that was about campaign misinformation, but, you know, it’s a wider thing, right?" Wootson Jr. asked White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre.


https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1823128198290231674
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 13 2024 10:03am)
WaPo journalist asks what the president can do to stop Trumps interview on X. MSM many moons ago used to speak to power, now they want to know how people can be muzzled.



https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1823128198290231674


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Aug 13 2024 11:12am
Quote (Mondain @ Aug 13 2024 10:19am)
It's in the grocery store, gas pump, in the bills and cost of living
These are things that can't be hidden from the American public.
Trump proved he could lower them in 2016.I'd like to see that again.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUlDHBKR-fM

e-2 trump will let elon fire more space x rockets.


global inflation is 6.8% accounting for 2023

major economies across the world ran very expansionary polices from 2020 to 2021 because of COVID. lots of checks sent to people and money used to prop up companies that experienced shut down difficulties. that doesn't get erased so quickly

piggybacking off of this COVID point, the increase of demand after two years of people being pent up and having household savings created a surge in demand for goods and services

the energy market - these energy prices underly almost any manufactured product, in addition to transportation costs. food production in modern times requires a lot of fertilizer, much of which is derived from oil products

wars - uncertainty and instability hamper investment (broadly) companies will delay products and investments. new supply chains are more costly and less efficient until scale and maturity develops. this makes things more expensive since the costs are passed down to the consumer

microchips - while many companies have the capacity to design chips, the extremely small size of modern chips means that precision equipment must be used to produce reliably. Taiwan has a handful of factories that can make these latest chips, and very few to nobody else can. The older factories in the US, Europe, Japan, China cannot mass produce these chips. The continual cycle of technological advancement for phones, computers, and other devices means that a large and constant demand grows. As factories become obsolete or shut down for periods or shipping of raw materials gets delayed, this causes a production backlog that can be months+ long. Everything requiring chips was facing shortages, even car manufacturers were halting production lines because they lacked the chips necessary (you can see this reflected in the cost of new cars and slightly used cars being even more expensive than new cars)

There has been a lot of investment in new factories with the latest equipment and processes, but the truth is it takes YEARS to build the production line. I was an account manager that helped many manufacturers pivot from assembly lines and facilities where thousands of workers operated, into facilities that are mostly automated with 100 or less workers

TLDR these economic factors have very little to do with Biden in the grand scheme
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Aug 13 2024 12:22pm
Quote (MildSambal @ 13 Aug 2024 19:12)
TLDR these economic factors have very little to do with Biden in the grand scheme


Inflation in the US stood at 7.5% in January 2022, but at only 5.1% in the Eurozone. I'm choosing that month because it's the last month before the war in Ukraine, which threw global energy markets into turmoil and had a disproportionate effect on Europe.

Funnily enough, inflation in the US is also higher right now than in Europe. And that's with the ECB already having begun cutting interest rates while the FED still kept rates high.

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Aug 13 2024 12:54pm
Why is he so mad at Joe Rogan though?
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Quote (MaysLanding @ Aug 13 2024 02:54pm)
Why is he so mad at Joe Rogan though?


Because Rogan has a massive following and him endorsing RFK could actually have material impact on elections. States like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona, it may come down to less than 100k votes on who wins.
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