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Oct 17 2023 10:19pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 17 Oct 2023 22:54)
I said free speech should be responsible and I am not American. I don't care about the First Amendment really. Just that I have a different perspective of what I think responsible speech is.


Define "responsible speech" I'm truly curious not trying to be a dick I'm what you would call a "Free Speech Absolutist" You can say whatever you want, whenever you want, for all the days you exist on this planet.

Does that mean people will revile things you say? Of course! Does that mean when you say something that most people disagree with you'll face a harsh response? Of course! But if you don't say how you truly feel you'll end up paying the price personally.

If you ever utter to yourself, "I should really say this" or "I shouldn't say that" you are holding back who you truly are plain and simple. Just say it and let God be the judge.

Revelation 3:16-18 "So I will spit you out of my mouth, because you are only warm and not hot or cold."--------If you don't speak the truth to yourself and others you are a coward in the eyes of the Lord.
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Oct 17 2023 10:30pm

If you say what you truly feel you might also end up paying the price personally. And if you are unlucky, the price that you pay personally might end up spreading to people who are innocent, but share similar kinship with you.

Restraint at the right moment with the right amount work wonders.

You mostly take a vertical approach on things, I mostly do it in a horizontal manner unless the issue urgently needs a vertical approach.
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Oct 18 2023 02:03am
https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1714540330899386816

(english IDF statement)

So the evidence about the hospital blowing up is;
  • At 18:15 there was a barrage of missiles fired by Hamas
  • At 18:59 a barrage of 10 rockets was fired by Islamic Jihad from a cemetery near the prior launch site
  • At 18:59 there were reports of the hospital blowing up. The hospital was not directly struck, but instead was hit at the parking lot outside it, with no crater and no structural damage
  • There are timestamped videos from Al Jazeera and other media showing the rockets being fired, and the misfired rocket falling back down followed by the explosion
  • Aerial imagery shows the lack of damage to the hospital itself and damaged vehicles in the parking lot
  • The trajectory of the rockets fired from the launch sites, to reach Haifa and along their visible path, was headed right over the hospital.
  • IDF claims no strikes in that area at that time.
  • Hamas fighters were caught on an intercepted phone call immediately after the explosion, discussing rockets misfiring and believe they struck the hospital


The actual phone call in Arabic:
https://videoidf.azureedge.net/e67ae402-79e2-4e8c-a6a5-d32da01ccf80
The translated phone transcript is;
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2. "I'm telling you, this is first time we see missile like this falling, and so that is why we are saying it belongs to Palestinian Islamic Jihad"
1."What?"
2. "They are saying it belongs to the PGI"
1. "It's from us?"
2. "It looks like it"
1. "Who says this?"
2. "They are saying the shrapnel from the missile is local shrapnel, not like Israeli shrapnel"
1. "What are you saying Abu Omar?"
2. "But god bless, it couldn't have found another place to explode?"
1. "Nevermind, yes, Abu Hajji, they shot it from the cemetery behind the hospital.
2. "What?"
1. "They shot it coming from the cemetery behind the Al-Ma'amadani Hospital, and it misfired and fell on them"
2. "There's a cemetery behind it?"
1. "Yes, Al-Ma'amadani is exactly in the compound"
2. "Where is it when you enter the compound?"
1. "You first enter the compound and don't go toward the city and it's on the right side of the Al-Ma'amadani Hospital"
2. "oooh yes I know it"


Notably, the IDF is willing to expose their intelligence gathering by demonstrating that they're actively spying on Hamas cell phone calls. Which was kind of obvious to begin with, but it still might compromise further intelligence simply by reminding fighters dumb enough to use unsecure phones that Israel actually is spying on them.
Clearly the IDF feels the importance of proving this was a Palestinian rocket is worth more than the intelligence being compromised, which is probably true in the grand scope of things.
Even though the phone call is clearly second hand sourcing- its Hamas, not Islamic Jihad, about what little they knew and what they heard.
But there's your evidence.
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Oct 18 2023 02:05am
Quote (darksoho @ 17 Oct 2023 22:35)
it was not Hamas, it was actually the Jihad this time.

i already stated that i know the damage is done on some level, so i agree on that one.

take it from me.. it's a failed missile. simple and clear as that.


Morning after video by Quds seems to pretty confidently debunk the Israeli JDAM strike version as there is no destruction associated with a JDAM. Trees and Solar panels (?) are intact. No hole in the ground?

For what’s it’s worth I’m personally more convinced this was a stray/malfunctioning rocket. I wonder what blew up with such force to cause a thousand causalties though? Qassams seem to have barely enough power to blow up a car or scratch a building?

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Oct 18 2023 02:10am
Quote (Malopox @ Oct 18 2023 03:05am)
Morning after video by Quds seems to pretty confidently debunk the Israeli JDAM strike version as there is no destruction associated with a JDAM. Trees and Solar panels (?) are intact. No hole in the ground?

For what’s it’s worth I’m personally more convinced this was a stray/malfunctioning rocket. I wonder what blew up with such force to cause a thousand causalties though? Qassams seem to have barely enough power to blow up a car or scratch a building?

https://i.imgur.com/FE6Xt6m.jpg


Also to add to this: Western media first breathlessly repeated the Hamas line about an Israeli airstrike killing 500+ people, now even as they're starting to admit it was clearly a Palestinian misfired rocket, most outlets are yet to correct the obviously inflated death toll.
There's no imaginable way 500 people were killed in a small parking lot, with no structural damage to surrounding buildings, when there are only a few dozen vehicles at most. A few dozen people killed perhaps, but 500? The only way 500+ people could be killed is if they were in a standing room only rave party in the lot parked in like sardines, and if that was the case the entire ground would be a blanket of gibs and blood.

So initial report: 500+ killed by Israeli airstrike on hospital
Actual facts after evidence comes in: Unknown number, perhap dozens, killed by misfired Palestinian rocket striking a parking lot
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Oct 18 2023 02:20am
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 18 2023 10:10am)
Also to add to this: Western media first breathlessly repeated the Hamas line about an Israeli airstrike killing 500+ people, now even as they're starting to admit it was clearly a Palestinian misfired rocket, most outlets are yet to correct the obviously inflated death toll.
There's no imaginable way 500 people were killed in a small parking lot, with no structural damage to surrounding buildings, when there are only a few dozen vehicles at most. A few dozen people killed perhaps, but 500? The only way 500+ people could be killed is if they were in a standing room only rave party in the lot parked in like sardines, and if that was the case the entire ground would be a blanket of gibs and blood.

So initial report: 500+ killed by Israeli airstrike on hospital
Actual facts after evidence comes in: Unknown number, perhap dozens, killed by misfired Palestinian rocket striking a parking lot


there are more firm evidence on the Israeli side at hand and it's simply a matter of intelligence right now and on the "what-to-show" decision.

the death toll is in hundreds, not certain it's 500+ but it's above tens.

the Jihad is on this one, not Hamas. probably launched in collaboration with Hamas but it's irrelevant since all those people are dead and some collateral media damage was already done.

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Oct 18 2023 02:24am
The west will get a taste of their own medicine when the Africans continue to repopulating Europe.
In 50 years those Africans treat Europeans as Jews treat Palestinians.


Gaza, the greatest open prison in the world
The Jews are doing it.
and the west, have a funnel vision in 1 direction.
And when you watch the other side, your a anti-Semitisms, forbidden.

This post was edited by Tommyvv on Oct 18 2023 02:25am
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Oct 18 2023 02:35am
Quote (Tommyvv @ Oct 18 2023 03:24am)
The west will get a taste of their own medicine when the Africans continue to repopulating Europe.
In 50 years those Africans treat Europeans as Jews treat Palestinians.


Gaza, the greatest open prison in the world
The Jews are doing it.
and the west, have a funnel vision in 1 direction.
And when you watch the other side, your a anti-Semitisms, forbidden.


I keep trying to warn them Tommy.
But they refuse to listen.
Not because it isn't true (it obviously is), but because they don't want it to be true.

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Oct 18 2023 02:41am
Quote (sirthom @ Oct 18 2023 10:35am)
I keep trying to warn them Tommy.
But they refuse to listen.
Not because it isn't true (it obviously is), but because they don't want it to be true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXNj2BobjJ4


Jordan and Egypt refuse to shelter Palestinian refugee. These coin licking pigs.

The great hope: Libanon Hezbollah
Fight fire with fire.
Step1: Sink USA warmachine aircraft carrier

This post was edited by Tommyvv on Oct 18 2023 02:42am
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Oct 18 2023 02:49am
Quote (darksoho @ Oct 18 2023 03:20am)
there are more firm evidence on the Israeli side at hand and it's simply a matter of intelligence right now and on the "what-to-show" decision.

the death toll is in hundreds, not certain it's 500+ but it's above tens.

the Jihad is on this one, not Hamas. probably launched in collaboration with Hamas but it's irrelevant since all those people are dead and some collateral media damage was already done.


"hundreds" is an absolutely gigantic amount for any single explosion, that's something to take with a serious grain of salt. Hundreds of people dying usually involves an entire building collapsing or an explosion the size of the halifax explosion
Its pretty hard to believe a figure in the hundreds if the building didn't suffer structural damage. Dozens is already a pretty high amount, and makes sense given the vehicles
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