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Oct 17 2023 09:05pm
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no, i don't like anyone who brings religious extremism into another country that houses them, gives them opportunity, and safety. by common sense, the same courtesy should be extended to fellow citizens.

in regards to this conflict, you have to wonder why no muslim country is lining up to take palestinans. but i guess i hit a nerve because you are a muslim? how does it feel that your people are riddled with violence? instead of arguing with me here why dont you go over there and try to teach them a different/better way of life? oh wait, you are just a keyboard warrior who wouldn't have the balls to do that.


Religious extremism in this case being...supporting something you disagree with? You know not everyone supporting this is some starving refugee right? Many successful immigrants and natural born Canadians attend these rallies and hold these views. I'm sure many of them are Muslim but that shouldn't mean they shouldn't be able to rally as any Canadian could.

I don't wonder why other Muslim countries don't take them because I have looked into why they don't and their reasoning makes sense to me, I assume most of your thinking is done by whatever morons you follow on social media so you may not have taken that step yourself.

I'm not Muslim but nice rant, can really tell you don’t hate them at all :rofl:
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Oct 17 2023 09:08pm
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no, i don't like anyone who brings religious extremism into another country that houses them, gives them opportunity, and safety. by common sense, the same courtesy should be extended to fellow citizens by those very same people.

in regards to this conflict, you have to wonder why no muslim country is lining up to take palestinans. but i guess not right?

seems like i hit a nerve with you. you are a muslim? how does it feel that your people are riddled with violence? instead of arguing with me here why dont you go over there and try to teach them a different/better way of life? oh wait, you are just a keyboard warrior who wouldn't have the balls to do that.


I’m pro Israel and on the right on most issues and anytime I hear the ‘you need to go back’ language I immediately think of some native born simpleton that’s angry at the much more successful immigrant. I know you’re a leftist so why are you defaulting to that type of framing? I’m increasingly seeing this from left-leaning people. The “you need go back unless you agree with me” is such a shitty way to argue.
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Oct 17 2023 09:10pm
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Religious extremism in this case being...supporting something you disagree with? You know not everyone supporting this is some starving refugee right? Many successful immigrants and natural born Canadians attend these rallies and hold these views. I'm sure many of them are Muslim but that shouldn't mean they shouldn't be able to rally as any Canadian could.

I don't wonder why other Muslim countries don't take them because I have looked into why they don't and their reasoning makes sense to me, I assume most of your thinking is done by whatever morons you follow on social media so you may not have taken that step yourself.

I'm not Muslim but nice rant, can really tell you don’t hate them at all :rofl:


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Oct 17 2023 09:12pm
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I’m pro Israel and on the right on most issues and anytime I hear the ‘you need to go back’ language I immediately think of some native born simpleton that’s angry at the much more successful immigrant. I know you’re a leftist so why are you defaulting to that type of framing? I’m increasingly seeing this from left-leaning people. The “you need go back unless you agree with me” is such a shitty way to argue.


Hey to be fair to him he came back strong with this absolute banger

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Oct 17 2023 09:17pm
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I’m pro Israel and on the right on most issues and anytime I hear the ‘you need to go back’ language I immediately think of some native born simpleton that’s angry at the much more successful immigrant. I know you’re a leftist so why are you defaulting to that type of framing? I’m increasingly seeing this from left-leaning people. The “you need go back unless you agree with me” is such a shitty way to argue.


i literally am a first generation canadian born from extremely successful immigrants who assimilated and made their lives better here. never before have i seen this type of crap in this country where people are celebrating the death of innocents as much as these "pro-palestinian" rallies have. its absolutely concerning. in terms of calling me a leftist, i am far from a leftist and have voted conservative in canada for any election over the last 8 years. while i dont agree with extremism on either side, whatever is going on in canada right now is ridiculous and it has happened under the current gov coalition of liberal+ndp.

where have i told people to go back to where they came from? I have asked why they don't do it if they are still here "rallying" for the cause, does it not make sense for them to try and make those places better??? there is a reason why they wont do it and its because they know the current regimes are violent as fuck and likely to kill dissidents, so instead they shove that crap down innocent people's throats and force to pick sides. that is beyond the dumbest thing in the world right now and even a more dumb to call this a view of a "native born simpleton". to the average canadian, i can tell you straight up that they don't want this around their communities and most are justified in saying so because they are focused on making the place where they currently live and have kids better - which should be the focus.


e; the middleeast used to be a pinnacle of advancement in this world until it was taken over by radical islamic extremsists hell bent on interpreting their holy scriptures as "kill anyone who disagrees with us"

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Oct 17 2023 09:23pm
Situation seems to be escalating fast. Think this is normal precaution for the most part but still. Hezbollah have been pretty quiet with no large scale attacks, really hoping it doesn’t get worse and this is just governments being cautious. Israel also has recalled all of its citizens from Turkey.

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A “Level 4: Do Not Travel” Advisory has been issued by the U.S. State Department for Lebanon stating that they have now ordered the Evacuation of Family Members and Non-Essential Staff from the U.S. Embassy in Beirut and that they call on American Nationals not to Travel to the Country due to the “Unpredictable Security Situation.”


https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1714475706992800159?s=46&t=Clvaf6rKkSLkdAtdE744Gg

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Oct 17 2023 09:30pm
could not find original clip, however, starts at 0:50. @ofthevoid, I am sure you would agree with this take.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WHS_5deLZw&t=6s
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Oct 17 2023 09:32pm
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But most people do not understand that. Broadly speaking as you can see what is happening in especially in this current conflict with the protest that is ongoing as the media shows.

There are a lot of people that consider an incitement to violence or lets put it in a more palatable format, a call to resist and fight for freedom via their version of freedom of speech against the oppressors.
It will turn into abuse sooner or later.

I think we have to note that when freedom of speech deteriorate into insults and shouting matches, because one party vehemently reject the other's overly strong position , it becomes violent sooner or later verbally or physically due to the lack of rational restraint.


Free speech is absolute you can say whatever you want. If someone yells "fire" in a movie theater most people aren't dumb enough to believe it. Just like when someone says, "Israel should nuke Palestine". Is that persons speech GUARENTEED to garner such an action? No.

Everyone has free will and if you say there are limits to "free speech" then free will cannot exist.

This is the slippery slope we've been on since 1776. When you start to say "this speech" is "protected" but "this speech" "is not" you find yourself in a double bind.

Of course people condone others for "speaking disrespectfully" but to "infringe or ban" any speech violates the 1st amendment. The whole point being is that the RIGHT SPEECH prevails and the SHIT SPEECH sinks like a rock in a lake.

example: "Movie theater and someone yells "fire"--------"someone else yells "no you fucking idiot there's not a fire stop scaring people". example: "Someone says "Israel should nuke Palestine"----"someone else says, "How bout we nuke you instead"

Words are just words not an "incitement to act". Even if you say, "Let's kill these motherfuckers" someone would then have to act. Did they act because of what was said? Or did they act because of what they already planned to do anyway?

If you really believe "free speech can be dangerous" then put ducktape over your mouth for the rest of your life because "what if" in "one scenario" your "words" lead to "something happening" lmao

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Oct 17 2023 09:54pm
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Free speech is absolute you can say whatever you want. If someone yells "fire" in a movie theater most people aren't dumb enough to believe it. Just like when someone says, "Israel should nuke Palestine". Is that persons speech GUARENTEED to garner such an action? No.

Everyone has free will and if you say there are limits to "free speech" then free will cannot exist.

This is the slippery slope we've been on since 1776. When you start to say "this speech" is "protected" but "this speech" "is not" you find yourself in a double bind.

Of course people condone others for "speaking disrespectfully" but to "infringe or ban" any speech violates the 1st amendment. The whole point being is that the RIGHT SPEECH prevails and the SHIT SPEECH sinks like a rock in a lake.

example: "Movie theater and someone yells "fire"--------"someone else yells "no you fucking idiot there's not a fire stop scaring people". example: "Someone says "Israel should nuke Palestine"----"someone else says, "How bout we nuke you instead"

Words are just words not an "incitement to act". Even if you say, "Let's kill these motherfuckers" someone would then have to act. Did they act because of what was said? Or did they act because of what they already planned to do anyway?

If you really believe "free speech can be dangerous" then put ducktape over your mouth for the rest of your life because "what if" in "one scenario" your "words" lead to "something happening" lmao


I said free speech should be responsible and I am not American. I don't care about the First Amendment really. Just that I have a different perspective of what I think responsible speech is.
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Oct 17 2023 09:54pm
Even if the damage sustained at the hospital were to irrefutably be tied to a Hamas rocket, is it too little, too late in the face of the damage from the early reports / social media and the subsequent outrage experienced across much of the Muslim world?
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