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Oct 26 2018 07:06am
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 26 2018 08:47am)
It's a predictable response when the president and his supporters attack the media all day, every day. Maybe you don't take his enemy of the people rhetoric seriously, but other people do.


If that's your delusional standard for "violent rhetoric" than it is 50 times more common from the left.
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Oct 26 2018 07:14am
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If that's your delusional standard for "violent rhetoric" than it is 50 times more common from the left.


as someone that transformed from a violent person into a pacifist outside of self defense I don't like when the left get that way

but when the candidate for President and eventual President is the one offering to pay legal bills and talking about shooting people and punching people we have a bigger problem

talking about torturing and killing families of suspected terrorists

a war on the media that is to paint them as an enemy of the people which deepens the divide and and increases the tensions

He wanted to be President, you wanted him to be President. He should lead by example and you should expect him to.
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Oct 26 2018 07:19am
Quote (EndlessSky @ Oct 26 2018 08:06am)
If that's your delusional standard for "violent rhetoric" than it is 50 times more common from the left.


Calling some group the enemy of the American people is rhetoric that incites violence.

Senior leaders in the government, and especially the president, have more of a responsibility to tone down their rhetoric than others with much less power.

You can't have it both ways... calling for responsibility from the left and then pretending Trump is a choir boy is just dishonest.

This post was edited by IceMage on Oct 26 2018 07:21am
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Oct 26 2018 07:31am
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 26 2018 09:19am)
Calling some group the enemy of the American people is rhetoric that incites violence.

Senior leaders in the government, and especially the president, have more of a responsibility to tone down their rhetoric than others with much less power.

You can't have it both ways... calling for responsibility from the left and then pretending Trump is a choir boy is just dishonest.


Trump's language didn't happen in a vacuum. The left have been using worse language for 20+ years. We wouldn't be here if not for them and them alone.
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Oct 26 2018 07:41am
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 26 2018 08:19am)
Calling some group the enemy of the American people is rhetoric that incites violence.

Senior leaders in the government, and especially the president, have more of a responsibility to tone down their rhetoric than others with much less power.

You can't have it both ways... calling for responsibility from the left and then pretending Trump is a choir boy is just dishonest.


This also applies to the left. Both sides need to turn the dial way back. There are enough people in this country with mental health issues and that are prone to violence. We don't need to juice them up to a point where they send out pipe bombs or shoot up a softball field.

It's also naive to think that this type of activity started with Drumpf. Attacks/threats of violence have been perpetrated against politicians for eternity.
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Oct 26 2018 09:36am
Quote (IceMage @ 26 Oct 2018 14:47)
There's serious overlap to be sure... but there's plenty of traditional conservatives out there who don't just support whatever the president says or does.



It's a predictable response when the president and his supporters attack the media all day, every day. Maybe you don't take his enemy of the people rhetoric seriously, but other people do.


the president's attitude towards the media is equally non-surprising when the media attack him all day, every day. and they did that long before he even became president.

he should cut that "enemy of the people" crap, since it's too sharp a rhetoric, but his general criticism of the mainstream media is absolutely justified.
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Oct 26 2018 10:25am
Quote (IceMage @ 26 Oct 2018 07:47)
There's serious overlap to be sure... but there's plenty of traditional conservatives out there who don't just support whatever the president says or does.


Trump has a 91% approval rating with Republicans, per Gallup. So maybe ~9%? That's not much. Conservatives by and large support Trump as President.
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Oct 26 2018 10:40am
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Trump has a 91% approval rating with Republicans, per Gallup. So maybe ~9%? That's not much. Conservatives by and large support Trump as President.


Trump has largely governed as a conventional republican. I would assume there are a ton of republicans who approve of the policies and decisions he's made, but disapprove of his rhetoric and unpresidential conduct. When these people are asked "do you approve or disapprove the job president Trump is doing", these folks should tend to go for 'approve'.

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Oct 26 2018 10:58am
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Trump has a 91% approval rating with Republicans, per Gallup. So maybe ~9%? That's not much. Conservatives by and large support Trump as President.


I know conservatives IRL who think Trump's a jackass, but they like his policies and SC picks, so they would say they support him in a poll. They're distinct from the Trump cult.
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Oct 26 2018 11:15am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 26 Oct 2018 11:40)
Trump has largely governed as a conventional republican. I would assume there are a ton of republicans who approve of the policies and decisions he's made, but disapprove of his rhetoric and unpresidential conduct. When these people are asked "do you approve or disapprove the job president Trump is doing", these folks should tend to go for 'approve'.


Quote (IceMage @ 26 Oct 2018 11:58)
I know conservatives IRL who think Trump's a jackass, but they like his policies and SC picks, so they would say they support him in a poll. They're distinct from the Trump cult.


I agree with y'all. There are Conservatives who dislike or even despise Trump, but are willing to sell their soul for some tax breaks and federal judges. I've seen it, too, and I think it's pathetic.

I think it is perhaps worse than being in the "Trump cult" in so far as they essentially recognize that he is a demagogue who is destroying democratic institutions but put up with it for temporary political gains.

I think the "Trump enablers" are a larger group than the "Trump cult" among Republicans. But as I mentioned earlier, the distinction is slowly losing its meaning, at least in terms of being 'functionally' Conservative.
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