Quote (Budgeting @ Oct 17 2023 10:57pm)

i am canadian.

canada doesnt have freedom of speech and supporting terrorism is not a freedom of speech.

not one of the palenstinian rallies have condemned hamas, who are the elected leaders of palestinians.

there is a reason why muslims don't live in their home countries anymore and the ones protesting and enjoying these freedoms in the west and demanding this crap should move back there and make it a better place but they wont do it because its a extremist cult hellbent on spreading their hate around the world.

personally, not really trying to take a side on this, but, id rather not anyone incite violence on soil where the fight isnt. if you want to support it, go there and do the same. keep that shit out of the countries you reside in. most people just want to live their life. no canadian citizen should have to choose a side here if they don't want to, nor should they have to put up with any of this crap going on.

Quote (Goomshill @ 18 Oct 2023 10:05)

Prior restraint is an inherent restriction to free speech and antithetical to a free and fair democracy. Any restriction on the political content of speech rather than reasonable content agnostic restrictions of time manner place, are just an infringement that would be proscribed in a country with actual safeguards like the first amendment. Canada and France and Germany could just as easily have been banning anti-Arab protests

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Oct 17 2023 07:01pm)

But most people do not understand that. Broadly speaking as you can see what is happening in especially in this current conflict with the protest that is ongoing as the media shows.

There are a lot of people that consider an incitement to violence or lets put it in a more palatable format, a call to resist and fight for freedom via their version of freedom of speech against the oppressors.
It will turn into abuse sooner or later.

I think we have to note that when freedom of speech deteriorate into insults and shouting matches, because one party vehemently reject the other's overly strong position , it becomes violent sooner or later verbally or physically due to the lack of rational restraint.

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Oct 17 2023 10:08pm)

Ah, but right wing yeah?

And I think you missed this bit
The rallies have been for Palestinians or against Israel, you understand that doesn't mean they are HAMAS rallies right?
They don't have to condemn them, you can be upset by that but it doesn't make it supporting terrorism lol.

Really seems like you just dislike Muslims based on that rant about them and how horrible their countries are. Do you know what labeling people terrorist supporters and agents of "sleeper cells" leads to? Much worse things than people supporting a cause you disagree with. You doing that is worse than any of those rallies IMO, and I'm not even an evil Muslim.

Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 17 2023 07:05pm)

Prior restraint is an inherent restriction to free speech and antithetical to a free and fair democracy. Any restriction on the political content of speech rather than reasonable content agnostic restrictions of time manner place, are just an infringement that would be proscribed in a country with actual safeguards like the first amendment. Canada and France and Germany could just as easily have been banning anti-Arab protests

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Oct 17 2023 07:15pm)

^majorblood

I think freedom of speech needs to be define in a more specific manner, it is and always have been a rather difficult issue to balance.
If one or a group of people are trying to relay their messages which might be detrimental to society as a whole, freedom of speech might need to be upgraded in a manner which can better benefit society as a whole.

It is a tough tough concept which might be extremely difficult to be resolved. It is an argument and debate , if I could , I will avoid.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 17 2023 08:47pm)

Nothing is absolute. The textbook example for a common sense limit on free speech is when someone shouts "fire" in a crowded theater/club and causes a mass panic during which people get trampled to death.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Oct 17 2023 09:01pm)

But most people do not understand that. Broadly speaking as you can see what is happening in especially in this current conflict with the protest that is ongoing as the media shows.

There are a lot of people that consider an incitement to violence or lets put it in a more palatable format, a call to resist and fight for freedom via their version of freedom of speech against the oppressors.
It will turn into abuse sooner or later.

I think we have to note that when freedom of speech deteriorate into insults and shouting matches, because one party vehemently reject the other's overly strong position , it becomes violent sooner or later verbally or physically due to the lack of rational restraint.

Quote (majorblood @ 18 Oct 2023 10:17)

I don't agree with that thinking at all