Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 24 2020 02:00pm)

I wonder if anyone ever really tracked which spats Trump shot first, because it seems a rarity. He always punches back when provoked and never lets up, even once they're dead. But seems its always someone taking shots at him first. If you look at the genesis of back and forths with a lot of the RINO figures and other personalities, the original sin is most likely Trumps lack of PC filter and unabashed birtherism in the Obama years. He made himself toxic enough for those who he neither attacked nor offended to take shots at him to distance themselves and save their own skins, and unlike Milo getting stabbed in the back by the GOP, Trump rose again on the third day more powerful than they could imagine. Which led to all those awkward schisms like McCain

But I'm pretty sure at least a few times in his twitter rants he's taken a shot once or twice at folks undeservedly who didnt fire at him first. Id be curious which ones, none come to mind.

Trumps pugilism isnt the same as being a firebrand though. He has indeed been on the receiving end of far worse than he spits out and he generally stays civil with those who stay civil with him. Thats not true of his opposition whos ranks are filled with maniacs. Blaming Trump is like blaming the lightning rod for the storm

Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 24 2020 03:00pm)

I wonder if anyone ever really tracked which spats Trump shot first, because it seems a rarity. He always punches back when provoked and never lets up, even once they're dead. But seems its always someone taking shots at him first. If you look at the genesis of back and forths with a lot of the RINO figures and other personalities, the original sin is most likely Trumps lack of PC filter and unabashed birtherism in the Obama years. He made himself toxic enough for those who he neither attacked nor offended to take shots at him to distance themselves and save their own skins, and unlike Milo getting stabbed in the back by the GOP, Trump rose again on the third day more powerful than they could imagine. Which led to all those awkward schisms like McCain

But I'm pretty sure at least a few times in his twitter rants he's taken a shot once or twice at folks undeservedly who didnt fire at him first. Id be curious which ones, none come to mind.

Quote (IceMage @ Jan 24 2020 03:18pm)

I don't necessarily agree with this point, but how is it at all relevant? Trump responding to criticism in his classically immature, thin-skinned way by leveling charges back isn't the issue. It's the content of what he levels back. Maybe McCain criticized Trump first. Hard to believe, because it's not like Trump says shit worthy of criticism every day, but let's assume he did. How does that justify Trump making a comment about not liking POWs who were captured?

It's the same with the Dingell situation. Dingell's wife criticizes Trump's behavior in office, supports impeachment, therefore Trump is justified in smearing her and her dead husband in ridiculous ways?

I don't know why this needs to be explained... anyone with a base level of morals and decency can understand proportionality.

Quote (Goomshill @ 24 Jan 2020 15:00)

I wonder if anyone ever really tracked which spats Trump shot first, because it seems a rarity. He always punches back when provoked and never lets up, even once they're dead. But seems its always someone taking shots at him first. If you look at the genesis of back and forths with a lot of the RINO figures and other personalities, the original sin is most likely Trumps lack of PC filter and unabashed birtherism in the Obama years. He made himself toxic enough for those who he neither attacked nor offended to take shots at him to distance themselves and save their own skins, and unlike Milo getting stabbed in the back by the GOP, Trump rose again on the third day more powerful than they could imagine. Which led to all those awkward schisms like McCain

But I'm pretty sure at least a few times in his twitter rants he's taken a shot once or twice at folks undeservedly who didnt fire at him first. Id be curious which ones, none come to mind.

Trumps pugilism isnt the same as being a firebrand though. He has indeed been on the receiving end of far worse than he spits out and he generally stays civil with those who stay civil with him. Thats not true of his opposition whos ranks are filled with maniacs. Blaming Trump is like blaming the lightning rod for the storm

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 24 2020 03:02pm)

Didnt Trump once tell a guy at his rally that he's a fat loser and should leave the building, only to find out that the dude was actually an avid supporter, not a heckler? :rofl:

Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 24 2020 03:18pm)

campaign trail 2016 Trump would shoot first at whomever is in the lead. first "Low Energy Jeb", then "just look at that face" Carly Fiorino, then "Little Marco Rubio", then "Lyin Ted Cruz", then "Zodiac Killer Sr. Cruz".

obviously as it got going everyone was coming at him, but he came out guns blazing. invoking Iraq 1 and 2 with the bush family, Bush's soft immigration stance, etc.

Quote (IceMage @ 24 Jan 2020 16:18)

I don't necessarily agree with this point, but how is it at all relevant? Trump responding to criticism in his classically immature, thin-skinned way by leveling charges back isn't the main issue. It's the content of what he levels back. Maybe McCain criticized Trump first. Hard to believe

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While the senator may have been the first to fire, Mr Trump was swift to respond.

Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 24 2020 12:42pm)

if you take it a step further you'd realize they did an investigation against Clinton because (both being political) they didnt have enough for impeachment. they got the "impeachable offenses" from the investigation.

whereas a president potentially strong arming a foreign govt to punish a domestic political opponent is already enough to investigate in the legislature through the impeachment process, both in the grand jury stage in the house and the actual trial in senate.

your problem is you're looking for differences (i.e. a lack of independent investigation) to maintain your biases. without actually doing the thinking part of asking whether those differences matter. probably because you read/heard somewhere about how no independent investigation was done, how that really matters, and you drank is down in one pull.

Quote (IceMage @ 24 Jan 2020 22:18)

Maybe McCain criticized Trump first. Hard to believe, because it's not like Trump says shit worthy of criticism every day, but let's assume he did. How does that justify Trump making a comment about not liking POWs who were captured?

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 24 2020 05:16pm)

The POW episode is easily explained by Trump instinctively trying to "out-alpha" the other guy. It's textbook "winners arent losers" mentality. Of course it's class- and tactless and on the intellectual, emotional and rhetorical level of 9 year old boys fighting over the pecking order on the schoolyard.

Actually, when you think about it, a fuckton of Trump's behavior becomes understandable when you just assume that he's a 73 year old man who's stuck on the emotional development level of a 9 year old boy.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 24 2020 06:16pm)

The POW episode is easily explained by Trump instinctively trying to "out-alpha" the other guy. It's textbook "winners arent losers" mentality. Of course it's class- and tactless and on the intellectual, emotional and rhetorical level of 9 year old boys fighting over the pecking order on the schoolyard.

Actually, when you think about it, a fuckton of Trump's behavior becomes understandable when you just assume that he's a 73 year old man who's stuck on the emotional development level of a 9 year old boy.