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May 8 2016 12:29pm
Quote (chemoshots @ May 8 2016 10:28am)
You may be right to "lol" at the article, I really don't know. Could you explain why it's "lol" worthy though? I don't know nearly enough about the investigation and all that, but is it really that crazy to think she's done something very wrong and is getting a free pass?


He loves anything that doesn't focus on how all around shitty his candidate and candidate's campaign are
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Quote (Beowulf @ May 8 2016 01:29pm)
He loves anything that doesn't focus on how all around shitty his candidate and candidate's campaign are


Just in case no one has seen this. The mainstream media is so good about NOT reporting about Hitlery's FAILURES.
Fox News has confirmed that the FBI has interviewed Huma Abedin, top aide to Hillary Clinton, as part of its investigation into Clinton’s use of a private email and whether classified information was willfully transmitted on her unsecured network. The FBI may also have interviewed other current and former Clinton staffers. This suggests the case may be approaching a conclusion. Clinton, herself, could be interviewed very soon.
Abedin Is a Key Witness
Abedin is a valued source of information because she apparently used an email on Clinton’s private system. She may have voiced concerns about whether the server was violating the law or, equally important, discussed how the law could be circumvented.
She and other staffers were surely questioned about the 2,200 classified communications contained on the server, including the 22 documents that were “top secret”. How did they end up on the unauthorized system? Did the aides have clearance to read them? Didn’t they know they were classified? Were classified markings erased? Who decided to delete thousands of emails which were government property? Who ordered the server to be “wiped clean”? Depending on the answers to these crucial questions, the aides could find themselves in legal jeopardy. So could Hillary Clinton.
Clinton’s Intent Is Irrelevant
Unnamed sources close to the investigation are reported to have said that the FBI has found no evidence to prove Clinton intended to violate the law. That sounds important, but it is not. The operative legal issue is not whether she intended to break the law, but whether she knowingly and intentionally stored classified information on her unauthorized server. Here is the specific law:
“Whoever… knowingly removes (classified) documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.” (18 U.S.C., section 1924)
The statute says nothing about an intent to violate the law. It is an important distinction. Clearly, Clinton intended to create a private server for use as her exclusive means of conducting official business as Secretary of State. She also knew it was not authorized because she never sought authorization from the relevant agencies. At the same time, she knew her unauthorized server would collect, retain and transmit classified documents during her four year term and intended it to do so.
This would appear to violate the language of the statute. She can hardly claim she did not recognize classified material… because that would be arguing her own incompetence.
Ignorance of the Law
Is it possible for Clinton to argue that she did not know she was breaking the law? She can try, but in a court of law it is no defense. Ignorance of the law is never an excuse. Otherwise, everyone accused of a crime would play dumb. “Gee, I didn’t know my actions were a crime!”
Moreover, Clinton knew the law because she was specifically instructed on the law when she took office. She received a “national security indoctrination” –a tutorial on the law of classified materials. Thereafter, she signed a sworn “non-disclosure agreement” promising never to convey classified material to an unauthorized person or place.
In that same agreement, Clinton was also warned that classified material can be either marked or unmarked. The content dictates its classification, not the markings. So, her previous claims that nothing was marked classified is not a defense. This is especially true since Clinton reportedly authored 104 of the classified emails herself. Surely, she knew what she was writing.
Gross Negligence
President Obama recently called Clinton’s handling of the classified emails “careless”, but not intentional, as if that makes it okay. However, carelessness is sufficient to be convicted of a crime. The following statute specifically addresses this issue:
“Whoever… through gross negligence permits (classified information) to be removed from its proper place of custody… shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.” (18 U.S.C., section 793-f)
In plain language, gross negligence is the standard, not intent. Carelessness or recklessness are synonymous with gross negligence. Thus, by implying that Clinton did nothing illegal because she was merely “careless”, President Obama is either legally mistaken or deliberately communicating a falsehood.
If the president, a trained lawyer, thought he was exculpating Clinton… he was, in truth, implicating her in a violation of the law.
I wonder why the media won't mention this story?
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May 9 2016 08:00pm
Quote (stimpy6298 @ May 9 2016 05:57pm)

I wonder why the media won't mention this story?


they are too busy giving your boy 24/7 free coverage for every dumbass thing he says
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May 9 2016 08:04pm
Quote (Beowulf @ May 9 2016 09:00pm)
they are too busy giving your boy 24/7 free coverage for every dumbass thing he says


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May 11 2016 09:08am
Can any of the resident Hillary supporters mention good things she has done/accomplished? Its been 10 (25 in pleb mode) pages and I don't see a single reason to actually vote for her.
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May 11 2016 09:18am
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Can any of the resident Hillary supporters mention good things she has done/accomplished? Its been 10 (25 in pleb mode) pages and I don't see a single reason to actually vote for her.



She has a D next to her name & her actual last name is Clinton...Are the main reasons demorats are voting for this pathological liar
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May 11 2016 09:19am
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She has a D next to her name & her actual last name is Clinton...Are the main reasons demorats are voting for this pathological liar


I understand all the cliche criticisms, I would like an actual supporter to answer though.
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May 11 2016 09:28am
Quote (Mangix @ 11 May 2016 10:08)
Can any of the resident Hillary supporters mention good things she has done/accomplished? Its been 10 (25 in pleb mode) pages and I don't see a single reason to actually vote for her.


When compared to Bernie, they will tell you it's because Hillary actually "gets stuff done."

Little do Hillary supporters know is that while she is a better alternative to Republicans (especially Trump), she is essentially a crony capitalist and only represents the illusion of progress.

At best, Hillary is a poor man's Obama and an third term of Obama. However, this is pretty idealistic. In reality, she is much more war-hawkish (very similar to the GOP in terms of her willingness to go to war and be influenced by defense contractors) and less progressive than Obama. She's also riddled with scandals and not nearly as well-liked as Obama.

So compared to Trump, yeah there are reasons to vote for her. It's basically a damage control argument in that case. But on her own, she is the quintessential politician that will likely get very little done and continue to oversee the decline or stagnation of wages for the middle and working classes. She likely won't have the benefit of having Congress like Obama did to pass the ACA.

It's no wonder Hillary appeals to Conservatives like IceMage. She's a pseudo-Republican. If you're a moderate who doesn't care about income inequality or getting involved in more unnecessary foreign conflicts, then I suppose she isn't a bad candidate.
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May 11 2016 10:16am
Quote (Mangix @ May 11 2016 10:19am)
I understand all the cliche criticisms, I would like an actual supporter to answer though.



In all seriousness though it's as simple as her own liberal ideologies fall in line with their own. A fair amount of both parties members aren't head over heels in love with their preemptive nominees, however they're most likely going to stay true to their respected parties. I'll stop spamming & let a Hillary supporter reply ;)
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May 11 2016 10:29am
She's got a pretty good track record of getting shit done, honestly. The Iran deal wouldn't have happened without her, for instance.

She's also got a proven track record on women's health issues and pushing back against the Republican agenda of fucking with women's health because some women preachers in like 44 AD were against abortion and now every Christian thinks its Jesus' idea.

Her ideas for funding college and slashing student loan interest and the like are great. She's got pretty decent views on guns and whatnot that aren't too onerous to gun ownership.

Generally speaking, she's got an agenda that I more or less agree with and actually has a chance of making deals that end up with anything happening. Even at the earliest moments, the Bernie campaign has always clearly clung to pie-in-the-sky deals that would get his face laughed in by Congress.
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