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Jun 17 2025 10:43am
sorry for delay, ill post this in two parts

Part 1:

The conflict between Israel and Iran is modern, not ancient — shaped by revolution, foreign interference, and ideological opposition. Unlike the Sunni-Arab hostility toward Israel, Iran’s antagonism dates only to 1979, when the Islamic Revolution redefined the Jewish state as an enemy. Before then, under the Shah, Iran had quietly maintained relations with Israel. Tehran’s hostility today is not random or purely religious; it stems from a revolutionary self-conception — resistance to Western dominance, with Israel seen as its regional pillar.

After Israel’s independence in 1948, Iran — under the Shah — quietly maintained relations with the Jewish state. At the same time, much of Iran’s economy, particularly its oil sector, was dominated by British interests, especially the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (later BP). In 1951, Iran’s elected Prime Minister, Mohammad Mossadegh, nationalized the oil industry to reclaim control from British hands. In response, the UK, with American support, organized a covert operation that overthrew Mossadegh in 1953 and reinstalled the Shah. The 1953 coup — rarely discussed in the West — became a defining trauma for Iran. Many Iranians saw it as proof that sovereignty would always be crushed if it conflicted with Western interests. Decades later, when revolutionaries overthrew the Shah, they viewed Israel not just as a regional rival but as a symbol of the same Western interference that had denied Iran self-determination.

For 25 years, the Shah ruled as a Western-aligned autocrat. Though Iran prospered economically, the regime became increasingly repressive, and its alliance with the U.S. and quiet ties to Israel further alienated the religious and nationalist segments of society. When the Islamic Revolution erupted in 1979, it was driven by a desire to rid Iran of foreign domination — political, economic, and cultural. Israel, which had been friendly with the Shah and benefitted from his rule, was immediately cut off and redefined by the new regime as an illegitimate outpost of imperialism.

One year later, In 1980, with tacit approval from the West, Saddam Hussein invaded Iran. The U.S., Europe, and regional powers — including Israel, which secretly armed Iraq — rallied behind the aggression. To Tehran, this was not mere opportunism by Saddam, but a coordinated effort to crush the Islamic Republic in its infancy. The war lasted eight years and cost over a million lives. Iran, isolated and still reeling from revolution, fought alone against a coalition of enemies. The conflict cemented the regime’s worldview: that resistance was the only path to survival. Declassified records show the U.S. provided Iraq with intelligence, chemical weapons precursors, and diplomatic cover — even after Saddam used gas against Iranian troops and Kurdish civilians.

In the decades that followed, Iran developed a strategy based on asymmetric warfare: backing proxies like Hezbollah and Palestinian militant groups, building influence through ideology and arms, and confronting Israel indirectly. While Israel rightly sees these groups as terror organizations, Iran views them as tools of deterrence — its only means to project power in a region where it is otherwise surrounded by hostile forces and Western allies.

None of this justifies Iran’s violent actions or genocidal rhetoric, which serve both as deterrence and as a tool to rally domestic support. But understanding why Iran adopted this posture is crucial. Its leadership doesn’t act from irrational hatred alone — it operates from a deep historical memory of betrayal, beginning with British oil domination and crystallizing in 1953. To Israelis, this may sound like excuse-making. But it’s not. It’s strategy. And if Israel wants to counter Iran effectively — not just militarily, but diplomatically and psychologically — it must understand the roots of that threat. Deterrence alone won’t work; Iran’s actions are born from a conviction that survival requires resistance. Breaking that cycle demands more than force.

a bit of foreshadowing in there, but i tried to use language that will reduce the risk of being called a retard, snowflake or anti semite and what not.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 17 2025 10:53am
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Jun 17 2025 10:43am
Israel in Gaza is a different story.

the main issue is the Israeli hostages. completley different situation.

more reasons:
Hamas is a dying horse. it holds the hostages because this is what left for it's survival.
Hamas is operating in civilian population in one of the most problematic areas for warfare on the planet. Israel needs to operate at risk for it's soldiers, for the Gaza civilians that Hamas uses as human shields, and the hostages who are at constant risk ( those who are alive )

more reasons of course.

bottom line, Gaza situation is FAR MORE complicated than what people tend to understand ( more than Iran, Hezbollah )


There is no excuse for the destruction and starvation in Gaza.

Don't give me this hostage bullshit.

Netanyahu and Putin are war criminals targeting civilian infrastructure.
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Jun 17 2025 10:46am
There is no excuse for the destruction and starvation in Gaza.

Don't give me this hostage bullshit.

Netanyahu and Putin are war criminals targeting civilian infrastructure.


The civilians of Gaza fucked up by openly cheering on and participating in the massacre

Played themselves

Was a day of exhilaration worth it?

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Jun 17 2025 10:47am
There is no excuse for the destruction and starvation in Gaza.

Don't give me this hostage bullshit.

Netanyahu and Putin are war criminals targeting civilian infrastructure.


The funny part of this comment is:

Russia, Iran and Hamas are allies

The US & Israel are allies.

Basically both sides are evil and it does not matter.


I’ll say this… if you kidnap my son… I’m hunting down every member of the kidnappers family until my son is found.
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Jun 17 2025 10:48am
exactly. most of the people on earth are idiots.

what makes you think you know my views on the Russia-Ukraine war ? ( "You are not a brainwashed by Ukranian propaganda are you? " )

because my wife is Kiev born you think im on the Ukraine side ? im trying to figure out what makes you think i gave an opinion piece on it.

what i said was also clear as water : the Iran-Israel conflict is not a believable comparison to the Ukraine-Russia war. for numerous reasons.


I don’t know you and I don’t know your wife. The fact that she was born in Kiev doesn’t tell me much except that she probably understands nuances of Ukraine more than I do. Repeating propaganda trope does tell me things.

Like I said earlier, there is truth, there are facts and there is perception by outsiders. Russia or Israel can be right in their actions 100x times, but right now it is also propaganda warfare as majority of the people do not understand your casus belli - simple as that.

Bombing Teheran is not going to make Iranians love Israel or revolt against aytaollahs to install a US friendly regime. The same is true for Russia, bombing Kiev is not going to make Ukranians rise up against Zelensky and suddenly switch sides. Happy to be proven wrong.
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Jun 17 2025 10:49am
The funny part of this comment is:

Russia, Iran and Hamas are allies

The US & Israel are allies.

Basically both sides are evil and it does not matter.


I’ll say this… if you kidnap my son… I’m hunting down every member of the kidnappers family until my son is found.


the great thing about debates is that while there are points that people will disagree on there are also points where agreement can be reached.
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Jun 17 2025 10:55am
i respect your comment. im direct, said it earlier, you people are offended by complete strangers.. fine.

some problems here and there il try my best to answer the main issues:

"Its leadership doesn’t act from irrational hatred alone — it operates from a deep historical memory of betrayal" - from fanatical religious and ancient hatred to the existence of Israel as a state ( the Ayatollah names us "the entity" ).
"backing proxies like Hezbollah and Palestinian militant groups, building influence through ideology and arms, and confronting Israel indirectly. While Israel rightly sees these groups as terror organizations, Iran views them as tools of deterrence" - one goal: to deter fire away from Iran, to attack on call-day, until they are a nuclear capable practical threat.
"And if Israel wants to counter Iran effectively — not just militarily, but diplomatically and psychologically — it must understand the roots of that threat" - watch the news. this is as false as it can be. the only effective way to counter Iran to it's knees was to remove the Proxies threat, and move on to Tehran. i think we are done in several days to weeks, keep a screenshot.

what surprises me, is that some of you actually believes that it's more complicated than what is it. it's really simple if you are familiar with the radical mind of the Islamic extremists - "they hate us more than they love their own children"

take a trip to Israel.
you will be surprised.
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Jun 17 2025 10:56am
the great thing about debates is that while there are points that people will disagree on there are also points where agreement can be reached.


I don’t know what it’s like to be Israeli. I assume it’s very unnerving being surrounded by countries whose fundamental religion is also fundamentally aggressive and non-agreeable to your religion.

I don’t see a solution. In my lifetime every president has tried to fix this middle eastern issue and none have succeeded 100%.
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Jun 17 2025 10:57am
There is no excuse for the destruction and starvation in Gaza.

Don't give me this hostage bullshit.


get lost, Hamas supporter in disguise.


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Jun 17 2025 11:00am
I don’t know what it’s like to be Israeli. I assume it’s very unnerving being surrounded by countries whose fundamental religion is also fundamentally aggressive and non-agreeable to your religion.

I don’t see a solution. In my lifetime every president has tried to fix this middle eastern issue and none have succeeded 100%.


good point of view.

what Israeli ( most of us ) believes that Arab states the more modest ones, can have some normal relations with us. i hope the Saudis will see it in the future ahead.
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