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#241
Feb 13 2024 06:52pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 13 2024 04:01pm)
What do you think will be the outcome when several departments under a common umbrella collaborate and the "Department of Gender, Rights and Equity - Diversity, Equity and Inclusion" sets the tone? Do you seriously expect the other departments to push back against the ideological premises introduced by that department? And that's not even taking into account that being pro-LGBTQI* has become the orthodoxy among pretty much all mainstream institutions, including academia, the media, the bureaucracy, in corporate boardrooms and even in the military. Simply put, a strong pro-LGBTQI* bias has been introduced into nearly all source material that those other WHO departments could have drawn from.


That you think it is the result of bias rather than the evolving understanding via research is, itself, a bias. There is no entity that will afford you convincing research on this matter so long as it runs counter to your personal opinion.
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Feb 13 2024 07:39pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 13 2024 01:56pm)
Oh, so now that I have provided you with the evidence you were asking for, now that I have backed my shit up, I'm suddenly an asshole and the bad guy? Pathetic.

Side note: to claim (without evidence) that the elevated rates of mental issues among TG individuals are because of "assholes like myself", i.e. because of discrimination by their social environment, is the exact kind of "massive leap" that you scolded me for less than three hours ago.



I obviously cannot speak for others in this thread, but just to spell out my own position very clearly: I do not hate the very existence of transgender individuals. But I reject most (not: all) of the demands of the trans movement. I reject these demands due to their illiberal nature; because trans activists try to force the rest of society to affirm their delusions, police and control my speech and afford protections and privileges (e.g. for women) based on factually wrong premises.



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Improved functioning doesn't imply that the higher rate of mental health issues among TG goes away completely. Besides, I'm not categorically opposed to social transitioning in childhood, I just want really high standards to be met before doing so; to make sure that it's not just an episode, not just a temporary state of confusedness.

Regarding medical therapy during childhood: I'm out on that one, sorry. Surgically changing one's body or messing with the hormonal balance of an adolescent who's not fully grown up yet is a step too far. We're talking about irreversible changes, in some cases in children who haven't even hit puberty yet.


"I'm not the problem, everyone else is the problem"

"Look what you made me do *shows off self harm*"

Transgender nonsense is malignant narcissism.

I would encourage people to watch this video and think about it:

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Feb 13 2024 07:42pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Feb 13 2024 02:47pm)
conservatives are so desperate to blame tragedies on trans people that they completely missed this person was NOT trans


pathetic trash


They were apparently genderfluid which is under the trans umbrella
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#244
Feb 13 2024 08:16pm
Quote (Shinobi @ Feb 13 2024 01:24pm)
Unironically he is the one living in said movies he mentioned. Probably eats wings with a fork too


In Canada we also have special use cases where you can get restricted fire-arms for people that require them for specific things, for instance wolf culls from helicopters we do up here every-year. It’s a specific process for a restricted firearm but available for those that require it. But here we are talking about average civilians in this conversation.


Hence why context matters and actually reading a conversation helps rather than taking some post that pricked your hairs up. Expectations are overly high on my part I suppose, next time ill assume you don’t have the ability to read proficiently and use smaller words.


Now Yeehaa, yourself and goom reported all my posts because feelings were hurt so I received a nice 5 hour temp ban and I made his PP feel small so I am sure in for another temp ban shortly. Why is it always the gun nuts that also have the most fragile of egos? Just such a common theme. Its almost like they have to compensate for something all the time…..

Go back and read and you can actually get a grip on the conversation being had rather than jumping mid point and looking silly.

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Feb 13 2024 08:26pm
Quote (SBD @ Feb 13 2024 08:16pm)
and goom


It was the professor in the kitchen with the candlestick!
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#246
Feb 13 2024 08:30pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 13 2024 07:26pm)
It was the professor in the kitchen with the candlestick!


I think it was the gunnut with the fragile ego In mom's basement!

Just a wager though based on the temps coming out of pard as of late.

I also got a temp today for saying the new profile does not look great. Ccpjsp

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Feb 13 2024 11:55pm
Quote (El1te @ Feb 13 2024 08:39pm)
"I'm not the problem, everyone else is the problem"

"Look what you made me do *shows off self harm*"

Transgender nonsense is malignant narcissism.

I would encourage people to watch this video and think about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMWo-dTNGiA


video takes a perfectly good scenario and shoves so much presumptions into it that it just straight up becomes light propaganda

lesser minds will get sucked into it im sure, but its easy to see the lies.

also, the stuff you've said in this thread is laughably deplorable, you are far worse than the monster you think trans people are, and it's not close
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Feb 14 2024 01:53am
Quote (blahaj @ Feb 13 2024 09:55pm)
video takes a perfectly good scenario and shoves so much presumptions into it that it just straight up becomes light propaganda

lesser minds will get sucked into it im sure, but its easy to see the lies.

also, the stuff you've said in this thread is laughably deplorable, you are far worse than the monster you think trans people are, and it's not close


I don't think they're monsters, I think they are people who have been very confused and misguided by affirmations of their delusions or maladaptive thought patterns that they become something similar to what was presented in the video. It's the age old trope of the angel and devil on opposite shoulders and you decide who to listen to, because it's true, it's a fairly universal religious belief. We want them to turn their lives around and heal instead of spiraling

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Feb 14 2024 07:33am
Quote (Handcuffs @ Feb 13 2024 03:32pm)
Being gay was classified as a mental illness before it was declassified. And, beyond that, people mistake "Gender Dysphoria" as the same as "being transgender", but the former refers to a specific experience and the latter is an affirmed state of living. It would be like saying that the treatment for depression is to live as a depressed person.



Your position is anti-scientific. Your process is as-follows:

Does this research support my opinion? It is good research.
Does this research counter my opinion? It is biased and the result of the woke agenda politicizing science.

You have a cart before the horse approach to this topic.


sure, but from googling it looks like being gay was removed in 1952, gender dysphoria was removed in 2012.

the stated goal of removing it from the DSM was to help remove stigma and help ensure care. just reeks of semantics to me, rather than science tbh.

"we're not saying there's nothing wrong with these people. in fact we're doing this so they can get medical care because they do need medical care. and we dont want them to feel stigmatized for what's ailing them".

mental illness became a buzzword for right winged anti trans people, and thus it was toppled. pretty ironic considering there's a movement to destigmatize mental illness itself, and treatment by therapists.

so we live in a culture of therapy that is preaching mental illness is ok and not shameful, and should be treated (i agree), but also being trans isn't at ALL a mental illness. dont even dare say it, or else you hate science, because we removed it, so they wouldnt feel as stigmatized (good luck there) and could get medical care in countries where a diagnosis is required to receive care where people were having a hard time getting diagnosed.

honestly tho to be frank, as someone with no horse in the race, i just see a lot of dishonesty and obstructing from both sides in this issue. much like most issues. doom and gloom vs. fervant anti-alarmism. lines in the sand and no progress. i dont really care, we have much bigger issues than to fiddle the knobs on .1% of the population.
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#250
Feb 14 2024 08:39am
Damn this really died out once it was found out the shooter was not a tranny eh.

Just another person with mental health issues in a country where you hand out guns to anyone. Guess it just marks another day much like the others.
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