Freedom of speech needs to be responsible.
Incitement of violence , coercion of i.e extremist left progressive ideologue on to the conservative right or the right to the left for dogmatic dominance via cancel culture etc etc. is an abuse of freedom of speech.



This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Oct 17 2023 07:06pm

Freedom of speech is absolute anyone who tries to walk the fine line censors themselves which is contradictory to free speech itself...

If you are not responsible with your speech in a huge melting pot and practice restrain , to live and let live. Freedom of speech will ultimately fail.

Freedom of speech is a noble idea. The failure of it is more evident than ever. Mccarthyism never truly disappear. It has evolved into a different variant.

To believe that true Freedom of Speech exist in the world is a rather naive ( not in a demeaning manner) worldview.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Oct 17 2023 07:22pm

in canada the hamas are designated as terrorists. anyone supporting them in canada would be supporting terrorism. its not freedom of speech.

Quite ridiculous to call this statement "unacceptable". Still, it must be stressed that it's really "convenient" to call for a ceasefire or "stopping the bloodshed" after one side has launched its attack, but before the other side had a chance to retaliate.
Calling for a ceasefire before the IDF has crushed the Hamas structures inside Gaza is effectively taking the side of Hamas.




Nothing is absolute. The textbook example for a common sense limit on free speech is when someone shouts "fire" in a crowded theater/club and causes a mass panic during which people get trampled to death.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 17 2023 07:47pm

incitement of violence isn't freedom of speech and therefore those that are inciting violence or having a call to arms to violence aren't abusing free speech (obviously in cases where it is likely for it to happen, some random dude on the street is allowed to say "israel should nuke palestine")

This post was edited by majorblood on Oct 17 2023 07:51pm

Yeah we have the Proud Boys on the same list so I that distinction doesn't mean very much to me.

The rallies have been for Palestinians or against Israel, you understand that doesn't mean they are HAMAS rallies right?
Are you a right leaning American by the way? Seems like most people making this argument are

This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Oct 17 2023 07:53pm

i am canadian.

canada doesnt have freedom of speech in the same way as the US and supporting terrorism is definitely not covered in freedom of speech.

not one of the palenstinian rallies have condemned hamas, who are the elected leaders of palestinians.

there is a reason why muslims don't live in their home countries anymore and the ones protesting and enjoying these freedoms in the west and demanding this crap should move back there and make it a better place but they wont do it because its a extremist cult hellbent on spreading their hate around the world.

personally, not really trying to take a side on this, but, id rather not anyone incite violence on soil where theyve made a new home. if you want to support it, go there and do the same. keep that shit out of the countries you reside in. most people just want to live their life. no canadian citizen should have to choose a side here if they don't want to, nor should they have to put up with any of this crap going on.

This post was edited by Budgeting on Oct 17 2023 08:00pm

Bro what....."before the other side had a chance to retaliate"


That is absolutely insane, you been missing the news?

But most people do not understand that. Broadly speaking as you can see what is happening in especially in this current conflict with the protest that is ongoing as the media shows.

There are a lot of people that consider an incitement to violence or lets put it in a more palatable format, a call to resist and fight for freedom via their version of freedom of speech against the oppressors.
It will turn into abuse sooner or later.

I think we have to note that when freedom of speech deteriorate into insults and shouting matches, because one party vehemently reject the other's overly strong position , it becomes violent sooner or later verbally or physically due to the lack of rational restraint.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Oct 17 2023 08:03pm