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Aug 3 2024 03:08pm
Quote (El1te @ 3 Aug 2024 22:53)
The Green Agenda is de-growth by design and intention. This has been explicitly declared. It is driven by a deep hatred for Western civilization where they view its continued existence as immoral. You have to understand the people we're dealing with here.

I agree with ^Goomshill there is no easy fix, the fix is a long-term culture of industriousness and austerity (hello Protestantism? Where have you gone?). A short-term "fix" in advance of this goal is to pass sweeping constitutional amendments that establish the formerly Protestant states (e.g. America, Canada, Prussia, etc.) as de jure Protestant states once more, followed by coordination of the education & government service systems to reflect this. Punish degenerate behaviour again, mandatory Bible and theology studies in grade level and in higher education, and reward virtue instead of punishing it. These are just a few actionable short-term steps towards fixing the problem long term.


Roflmao, sorry man, but no Western society will go back in a religious direction again. At least not in the long run. There might be a short-lived episode of a handful of years of "religious backsliding", but definitely no lasting "re-clerification".
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Aug 3 2024 03:25pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 3 2024 02:08pm)
Roflmao, sorry man, but no Western society will go back in a religious direction again. At least not in the long run. There might be a short-lived episode of a handful of years of "religious backsliding", but definitely no lasting "re-clerification".


You should read your own signature! To dismiss the value of religion in driving the willpower and industry of man is to concede to a blatantly false premise of the left. Can you put forth an argument instead of a childish "roflmao"? If this is truly your honest opinion, and not you trying to score social credit points with the leftists, then Europeans are even more lost than I thought. The explicitly Protestant Crown of England is the wellspring and prime mover from which all your freedom, being, and belongings flow. Lest your nation be conquered by daddy Russia (which has integrated Orthodoxy into the fabric of their Empire).
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Aug 3 2024 03:35pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 3 2024 11:08pm)
Roflmao, sorry man, but no Western society will go back in a religious direction again. At least not in the long run. There might be a short-lived episode of a handful of years of "religious backsliding", but definitely no lasting "re-clerification".


If Muslims in Western countries keep multiplying as they do you might be in for a surprise ^^
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Aug 3 2024 03:35pm
Quote (El1te @ 3 Aug 2024 23:25)
You should read your own signature! To dismiss the value of religion in driving the willpower and industry of man is to concede to a blatantly false premise of the left. Can you put forth an argument instead of a childish "roflmao"? If this is truly your honest opinion, and not you trying to score social credit points with the leftists, then Europeans are even more lost than I thought. The explicitly Protestant Crown of England is the wellspring and prime mover from which all your freedom, being, and belongings flow. Lest your nation be conquered by daddy Russia (which has integrated Orthodoxy into the fabric of their Empire).


You are the one making a highly non-trivial claim, namely that the decline of the West is due to secularization/losing religion (rather than globalization, bureaucracy or perhaps dwindling resources) and that mandatory bible studies would make our societies more productive again. The burden of proof for such a claim is on you.



Quote (Djunior @ 3 Aug 2024 23:35)
If Muslims in Western countries keep multiplying as they do you might be in for a surprise ^^

^^
They will no longer be "Western" countries in this scenario.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 3 2024 03:36pm
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 3 2024 02:35pm)
You are the one making a highly non-trivial claim, namely that the decline of the West is due to secularization/losing religion (rather than globalization, bureaucracy or perhaps dwindling resources) and that mandatory bible studies would make our societies more productive again. The burden of proof for such a claim is on you.




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They will no longer be "Western" countries in this scenario.


My claim is directly supported by the direct correlation of declining religiosity with institutional and societal decline, which is empirically measured. Dont even get me started on the correlation in the rise in obesity, sedentary behaviour and slovenliness with decline of religion (these peoples are parasitic by their very nature and being). Now of course "correlation doesn't equal causation", but, in the observation and control of other variables it does.

It is also empirically observed that religious persons are statistically more happy, more wealthy, produce more children, and are more successful. Studying the Bible isn't just "studying the Bible", it is studying the nature of our world. And through understanding the nature of our world, anxiety and doubt are vanquished, leaving a productive and rational spirit of order and advancement. The burden of proof is on me, and the proof is all right there.

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Quote (El1te @ Aug 3 2024 05:07pm)
My claim is directly supported by the direct correlation of declining religiosity with institutional and societal decline, which is empirically measured. Dont even get me started on the correlation in the rise in obesity, sedentary behaviour and slovenliness with decline of religion (these peoples are parasitic by their very nature and being). Now of course "correlation doesn't equal causation", but, in the observation and control of other variables it does.

It is also empirically observed that religious persons are statistically more happy, more wealthy, produce more children, and are more successful. Studying the Bible isn't just "studying the Bible", it is studying the nature of our world. And through understanding the nature of our world, anxiety and doubt are vanquished, leaving a productive and rational spirit of order and advancement. The burden of proof is on me, and the proof is all right there.


That's a whole lot of words that basically say nothing. Haven't provided anything that can be regarded as proof.


So your claim that "religiosity with institution and societal decline," causes people to be more lazy, and that the "green agenda," causes de-growth. Explain why manufacturing is up? It's the highest it's been since 2008.






Also, does religion make people happier? It does, but it doesn't mean what you think it does. According to Scientific America:

In line with earlier findings, two thirds of those surveyed regarded religion as important to their life. The states, however, varied by a factor of two: in Vermont, 44 percent rated religion as important, compared with 88 percent in Mississippi. In the states where religion was very important, people were much more likely to be living in difficult circumstances. They also had lower subjective well-being than people living in less religious parts of the country. Did religion make them happier, as previous studies had shown? Absolutely, according to the data—but they still were worse off than the contented residents of more affluent states, where religion mattered less. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/healthy-skepticism/

So the correct conclusion should be: Ignorance is bliss.
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Aug 3 2024 04:56pm
Quote (El1te @ 4 Aug 2024 00:07)
My claim is directly supported by the direct correlation of declining religiosity with institutional and societal decline, which is empirically measured. Dont even get me started on the correlation in the rise in obesity, sedentary behaviour and slovenliness with decline of religion (these peoples are parasitic by their very nature and being). Now of course "correlation doesn't equal causation", but, in the observation and control of other variables it does.

Except that you haven't provided any evidence in which the myriad of potential confounders is controlled. You can't seriously blame declining religiosity for the effects of globalization or the rise of fast food. Hell, you can't even blame it for the technological developments which have caused an increasing share of jobs today to be sedentary.

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It is also empirically observed that religious persons are statistically more happy, more wealthy, produce more children, and are more successful.

Do you have a source for that? Preferably one which controls for race if it's a US-centric study.
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Aug 3 2024 05:00pm
Quote (foxnews @ 4 Aug 2024 00:39)
Explain why manufacturing is up? It's the highest it's been since 2008.


https://i.imgur.com/uiePXYo.png

The main takeaways from your own chart are that 1) manufacturing never really recovered from the Great Recession and that 2) since 2010, manufacturing has pretty closely tracked population growth in the US. No more, no less.
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Aug 3 2024 05:14pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 3 2024 06:00pm)
The main takeaways from your own chart are that 1) manufacturing never really recovered from the Great Recession and that 2) since 2010, manufacturing has pretty closely tracked population growth in the US. No more, no less.


population growth is only .47% annually. The rate of population growth is slowing down as well. That being said, we all know manufacturing isn't the biggest contributor of our national GDP. It's roughly 10%
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Aug 3 2024 09:21pm
Quote (foxnews @ 4 Aug 2024 01:14)
population growth is only .47% annually. The rate of population growth is slowing down as well. That being said, we all know manufacturing isn't the biggest contributor of our national GDP. It's roughly 10%


https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/united-states/population

US population 2024: 341m
2016: 327m
2010: 311m

So the US population in 2024 is 4.2% higher than it was in 2016 and 9.6% higher than in 2010. A quick glance at your chart shows manufacturing to be up roughly 4% since 2016 and roughly 10% since 2010.
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