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Nov 5 2020 10:38am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 5 2020 10:59am)
The opposite actually. The voter id laws that republicans passed also shut down polling places in minority communities and selectively restricted ID usage to ones minorities are less likely to use, which is Why they have been struck down in courts all over the country. Theyre about suppression, not an honest attempt to secure the election


Quote (MizzouFTW @ Nov 5 2020 11:00am)
It does the voter no good to require ID and simultaneously not address the gaping issue of actually acquiring an ID. Requiring an ID disenfranchises a large percentage of poor people and that's not good for our country. I'm all for requiring ID to vote. If that's the case though I think the states should start bearing the cost of these ID's.


as long as there are checks in place to ensure that only citizens can get them, i agree with that.
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Nov 5 2020 10:39am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 5 Nov 2020 16:52)
State Votes left to count (est.) Current margin Current leader %votes

Georgia 1% 50,000 +18,144 Trump
North Carolina 6% 348,000 +76,701 Trump
Pennsylvania 13% 954,000 +135,673 Trump


Considering 80% of mail ballots can be for biden... Then these 3 states could end up being democrat.


The oustanding votes in Georgia and Pennsylvania are from overwhelmingly Biden-leaning areas, while those in North Carolina are not. Trump hasnt sealed up NC entirely yet, but he should hold it. I expect him to lose PA by a margin of 30k+ votes in the end. GA (and also AZ, dont forget about AZ! :angry: ) will probably be decided by less than 10k votes, go to a recount and be tied up in endless litigation.


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Worst case scenario is that Biden fails to secure a recount-proof majority in any of those states and the election has to be decided in the courts.

I would still prefer Trump over Biden (albeit only by a slim margin, given that I know the GOP will hold the Senate) as president, but Trump winning would be horrible for the country. Let's be real here: at this point, if Trump comes back to win this election, whether legitimately or via court shenanigans, it would be unimaginably close and it would tear the country apart.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 5 2020 10:40am
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Quote (IceMage @ Nov 5 2020 11:36am)
This is what half the country voted for.


still better than biden.
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Nov 5 2020 10:41am


Oh noes... I forgot the most important part of the Democratic platform...

10. Only Democrats can decide what's true and what's false, and only they are allowed to dispense this information.



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Nov 5 2020 10:42am
Quote (Ghot @ 5 Nov 2020 17:31)
Let's review. Just what is the Democratic platform...

1. Anyone saying some arbitrary word of the day, can be fired from their job.
2. It's the right of every minority to go ID-less.
3. It's not "one man, one vote", it's really "one man, one vote, if your Democrat. And Republican votes just don't count".
4. Everything is free and no one has to pay for it.
5. We love the ideas in the novel: "1984".
6. The Constitution and the system of "checks and balances" have got to go.
7. Hillary lost the election in 2016, so we can do anything we like.
8. Only minorities can be poor. White people can't be poor, even if they are.
9. All whites have to pay the bills for minorities... just because.


your bullsit is crazy, maybe it's time to come back toward reality.
you got brainwashed or what? sad
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Nov 5 2020 10:44am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Nov 5 2020 11:42am)
your bullsit is crazy, maybe it's time to come back toward reality.
you got brainwashed or what? sad




Aren't you in France.

Ah, OK. Then your opinion in this matter... doesn't count. So sorry. LOL
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Nov 5 2020 10:44am
Quote (ReturnFormer @ Nov 5 2020 08:38am)
as long as there are checks in place to ensure that only citizens can get them, i agree with that.


In Arizona, a state ID is $10. If you cannot afford an ID and can take the time to fill out 1 form that'll take you approximately 3 minutes to fill out, it will be provided free of charge.

Again, the whole "It's racist to require an ID" is stupid, untrue, and simply false. Verifying citizenship is a requirement. Likewise, citizenship in poor standing (felon) who cannot vote but attempts to vote is called fraud.
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Nov 5 2020 10:47am
Quote (ReturnFormer @ Nov 5 2020 10:39am)
still better than biden.


In what sense though? What are your markers for success? How do you determine which is better? I'm genuinely curious. I've asked a lot of my Trump supporting family members why they voted for Trump and I get the usually stuff about "strong economy, jobs" etc. They don't actually ever know any of the specifics though. They just go off what he and right wing media say.

So how is Trump better than Biden? I think we should actually do an entire thread on this. Let's analyze this.

I'd like to break down and see exactly how many factories Trump brought back to America. I've read several articles from very reputable news outlets showing evidence directly from these companies stating they have no idea wtf Trump is talking about. I've seen evidence from the same sources that say the factories that were built had been in the process of being built since Obama was in office. Foxconn is a disaster. There's no way to put a positive spin on that. People were questioning how those jubs and salaries were going to happen from the beginning yet Trump slapped his stamp of approval on it. Well, it's 2020 and Foxconn is virtually nonexistant but they are still enjoying those sweet, sweet tax breaks they got.

My point here is we should start a thread and finally settle this argument. I want to see what Trump's actual accomplishments were. Because TBH I haven't really seen any. Right wing media spends most of their time making excuses for something stupid Trump or someone close to trump has done. No one has ever really spent a lot of time on his accomplishments. Fox News praises Trump for stupid shit. I'm not talking about that small time dick sucking. What positive things has Trump done for America?

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Nov 5 2020 10:44am)
In Arizona, a state ID is $10. If you cannot afford an ID and can take the time to fill out 1 form that'll take you approximately 3 minutes to fill out, it will be provided free of charge.

Again, the whole "It's racist to require an ID" is stupid, untrue, and simply false. Verifying citizenship is a requirement. Likewise, citizenship in poor standing (felon) who cannot vote but attempts to vote is called fraud.


That's great for you in Arizona but that sure as hell isn't the case here in Missouri. It's about 5x that cost too.

This post was edited by MizzouFTW on Nov 5 2020 10:49am
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Nov 5 2020 10:49am
So are they finally putting an adult back in the oval office?
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Nov 5 2020 10:50am
Quote (Ghot @ Nov 5 2020 10:41am)
Oh noes... I forgot the most important part of the Democratic platform...

10. Only Democrats can decide what's true and what's false, and only they are allowed to dispense this information.


maybe #learntocode was actually a call to arms so conservatives could finally invent a media platform instead of leeching off of progressive inventions and bitching about censorship on a private company's website.
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