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Nov 13 2021 08:06pm
Quote (WickedDarkJuggalos @ Nov 13 2021 07:44pm)
I was mistaken maybe, but the fact still remains there was obvious political pressure for the autopsy results to be fabricated in one way or another. .


I think it went beyond just political pressure
I had to do some google fu since I didn't remember it off hand, but it was Dr. Roger Mitchell who threatened Dr. Andrew Baker;
https://www.startribune.com/attorneys-for-former-officer-charged-in-george-floyd-s-death-call-me-s-testimony-into-question/600056585/
https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12949-TT/Order07292021.pdf
https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12953-JAK/MCRO_27-CR-20-12953_Other-Document_2021-05-20_20210520145111.pdf

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According to the motion: A May 26 memo by Assistant Hennepin County Attorney Patrick Lofton noted that Baker's preliminary autopsy "revealed no physical evidence suggesting Mr. Floyd died of asphyxiation," and that his inquiry was not complete.
Sometime after that, Mitchell contacted Baker, who told Mitchell he didn't think neck compression was a factor in Floyd's death. Mitchell said he would release an op-ed in the Washington Post criticizing Baker's findings, the motion said.
"In this conversation, Mitchell said, you don't want to be the medical examiner who tells everyone they didn't see what they saw. You don't want to be the smartest person in the room and be wrong," the motion said. "… Mitchell said neck compression has to be in the diagnosis."
On June 1, Baker issued his final autopsy findings, which said Floyd died of "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression." He also ruled the cause of death a homicide, an act caused by another person.
Mitchell's accusations created a "chilling effect" for Thao and violate his rights to due process, the motion said, adding that it has become "extraordinarily difficult" to find medical experts willing to say Floyd's cause of death is undetermined.


When the guy who was one of the foremost forensic expert medical examiners in the country testified for Chauvin's defense, they did exactly what they threatened and tried to destroy his professional career, looking to strip him of his positions and launch an inquisition into any other trials he's testified at / every case he was the medical examiner for. Also, it doesn't say it in the strib article, but Andrew Baker was up for a license renewal hearing in front of the city officials just a few weeks after he published his Floyd autopsy, and he only scraped by with like a 1 vote margin, with the officials voting against him saying his autopsy didn't blame Chauvin enough

So its guaranteed that if Baker had actually given a real report that stuck to the facts of the case, he'd have lost his job at a minimum, more likely be the subject of an inquiry, and guaranteed the target of harassment / threats.

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Nov 13 2021 09:46pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 13 2021 09:06pm)
I think it went beyond just political pressure
I had to do some google fu since I didn't remember it off hand, but it was Dr. Roger Mitchell who threatened Dr. Andrew Baker;
https://www.startribune.com/attorneys-for-former-officer-charged-in-george-floyd-s-death-call-me-s-testimony-into-question/600056585/
https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12949-TT/Order07292021.pdf
https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12953-JAK/MCRO_27-CR-20-12953_Other-Document_2021-05-20_20210520145111.pdf



When the guy who was one of the foremost forensic expert medical examiners in the country testified for Chauvin's defense, they did exactly what they threatened and tried to destroy his professional career, looking to strip him of his positions and launch an inquisition into any other trials he's testified at / every case he was the medical examiner for. Also, it doesn't say it in the strib article, but Andrew Baker was up for a license renewal hearing in front of the city officials just a few weeks after he published his Floyd autopsy, and he only scraped by with like a 1 vote margin, with the officials voting against him saying his autopsy didn't blame Chauvin enough

So its guaranteed that if Baker had actually given a real report that stuck to the facts of the case, he'd have lost his job at a minimum, more likely be the subject of an inquiry, and guaranteed the target of harassment / threats.



Facts my dude this was obvious from the beginning. Completely overshadowed by the horrific ending to this take of “profound systemic racism” where the only thing the general public, and the world was really ever told was this was a murder by a racist cop.

Murder is questionable, absolutely not second degree murder by ANY standard, despite being found guilty. Personally this is not murder of any form, but manslaughter. Meaning his actions unintentionally caused the death.

By no means did this entire event have a single thing to do with racism. Ever. Not even a little. Had nothing to do with race. Race wasn’t even brought up in the court room. Not a single time. Wasn’t even mentioned as a way to show intent. Never once in the trial was the guy even so much as accused of being a racist. If there was even a tiny shred of evidence of racism it would have been front page news. But there wasn’t. They had a year to dig up the man’s entire life. Never found to be a racist.

I emphasize this so much because the entire country dramatically changed because of a lie.
Rittenhouse is on trial because of a lie.
Donald trump was called a racist and a Russian asset for his entire term and was put on defense, causing him to be constantly dealing with outside bullshit instead of only doing his job as president of the United States. Because of LIES.
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Nov 13 2021 10:17pm
Quote (WickedDarkJuggalos @ Nov 13 2021 09:46pm)
Donald trump was called a racist and a Russian asset for his entire term and was put on defense, causing him to be constantly dealing with outside bullshit instead of only doing his job as president of the United States. Because of LIES.


Reminder that we literally have Trump's campaign passing polling data to Russia while Russia was launching a disinformation campaign against us.
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Nov 13 2021 10:30pm
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HE LITERALLY WAS CHOCKING BEFORE ENTERING THE POLICE CAR, HE SAID SO. THIS TRIGGERED THE 2ND POLICE CAR GETTING TO THE SCENE, GEORGIE WORGIE REFUSING TO ENTER THE PATROLLER.

anything you say otherwise is a lie. I believe georgie floyd, not you :)))
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Nov 13 2021 10:33pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Nov 13 2021 11:17pm)
Reminder that we literally have Trump's campaign passing polling data to Russia while Russia was launching a disinformation campaign against us.



Remember one of the key players of the Steele dossier is getting pinched. The dossier that caused four years of interference and a “fake” impeachment which was basically just for show before they were exposed for being frauds.

On the topic of Russia, explain to me which of the last two presidents did things that directly benefited Russia.

This post was edited by WickedDarkJuggalos on Nov 13 2021 10:35pm
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Nov 13 2021 10:55pm
Quote (SanduLungu @ Nov 14 2021 03:30pm)
HE LITERALLY WAS CHOCKING BEFORE ENTERING THE POLICE CAR, HE SAID SO. THIS TRIGGERED THE 2ND POLICE CAR GETTING TO THE SCENE, GEORGIE WORGIE REFUSING TO ENTER THE PATROLLER.

anything you say otherwise is a lie. I believe georgie floyd, not you :)))


Correct he was..
Now, i have emergency first aid training and so do police officers, now which part of the training dictates when a man is struggling to breath YOU PUT HIM FACE DOWN ON CONCRETE WITH A KNEE ON HIS BACK?
Because i can assure you we are taught NOT to let a person be face down at all, let alone restrained and crushed into concrete.
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Nov 13 2021 10:57pm
Quote (SanduLungu @ 13 Nov 2021 23:30)
HE LITERALLY WAS CHOCKING BEFORE ENTERING THE POLICE CAR, HE SAID SO. THIS TRIGGERED THE 2ND POLICE CAR GETTING TO THE SCENE, GEORGIE WORGIE REFUSING TO ENTER THE PATROLLER.

anything you say otherwise is a lie. I believe georgie floyd, not you :)))


i GUESS YOU JUST KILL THE GUY THEN
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Nov 13 2021 10:59pm
Quote (Crunkt @ Nov 14 2021 04:57am)
i GUESS YOU JUST KILL THE GUY THEN


sure thing
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Nov 13 2021 11:00pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Nov 14 2021 04:55am)
Correct he was..
Now, i have emergency first aid training and so do police officers, now which part of the training dictates when a man is struggling to breath YOU PUT HIM FACE DOWN ON CONCRETE WITH A KNEE ON HIS BACK?
Because i can assure you we are taught NOT to let a person be face down at all, let alone restrained and crushed into concrete.


of course you put him on the ground if he refuses to cooperate.
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Nov 13 2021 11:02pm
Quote (SanduLungu @ Nov 14 2021 04:00pm)
of course you put him on the ground if he refuses to cooperate.


If you are a sociopath sure, i am not.
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