concerning salvini i think it's absolutely fascinating how a right wing populist, whose economic policies directly and impactfully threaten the wealth of every EU member, is hailed as saviour by the moronic right - just because he's strict on immigration. how easy it is to distract those simple minds and string them along...

(inb4 'italy's economic crisis is also the evil brown ppl's fault' and not the result of decades of mismanagement, corruption, cronyism, debt-funded populist economic and retirement policies...)

now don't get me wrong, i also reject the UN migration pact in its current form - especially with one of the main culprits for causing mass migration not signing it - but that doesn't make me lose sight of the bigger picture. guess that requires a true brownshirt mentality.

but hey, let's just post our daily 'look what evil foreigner did, allegedly - update #3217' (while ofc ignoring every other crime), and nazi boy's world is nice and simple.
not that it's ever happening, but i really wonder who those people would start blaming for their miserable lives once their wet dreams about a racially / 'culturally' / religiously pure europe became true...

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inb4 'i never claimed 100% since 2016' or 'one example involving long term contracts and headline grabbing phrasing totally justifies my moronic narrative, and oh god it's all going to get so much worse, we will lose our cars, our electricity, and our lives because of socialism and migrants and HEIL-HEIL-HEILE WELT no more!!!1!'

holy mother of triggering, you really have a serious problem fenderp

when will you ever quit posting completely retarded exaggerations with statements that nobody ever remotely posted

complete idiot, you cant make that shit up

This post was edited by ampoo on Dec 3 2018 04:19am

He took 2009 as a starting point, which had extremely low grid fees compared to other years, A bit like the article there is a part of truth in it, just not as extreme as it's being presented. And the argument mostly depends on what you choose as a starting point.

Don't fall too often for extreme presentation of stats Ampoo, or your conclusion will always be:



This post was edited by Knoppie on Dec 3 2018 04:17am

Good post, im agree with it, especially the second part.



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This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Dec 3 2018 04:30am

of course it had low grid fees since it was before the "energiewende" project was started after the fukushima incident, thats part of the argument
since then prices are exploding to subsidise ineffective energy production

i dont fall for anything my dear, i am capable of thinking logically since i understand the basic physics behind all this

we are getting out of nuclear energy and now coal as well

therefore my conclusion is that prices will continue to go up and the lack of basic load electricity will eventually result in us having to buy energy from neighbor states at times, which will be even more expensive

we are literally failing at everything, emissions arent going down, energy is becoming less affordable each year and the stability of our supply in general is at stake

Thats funny, from your graphic the costs now would be lower than 2012 if not for the taxes.

of course italy's economic problems predate the migration crisis. the reason I'm not strictly against Salvini despite his (and his party's) problematic economic policies is that they are only a problem for the rest of the eurozone because of the euro itself. without the misconstructed euro, italy could simply create higher inflation and keep its debt in check this way. I actually think that Salvini wants to leave the Eurozone in the long run, which is a stance I'd agree with. Italy's financial policy just doesnt fit a currency union. so when it comes to the euro itself, and the question whether it should be defended "whatever it takes", or whether it should rather be rescinded, I and many "right-wing populists" are on the same page as Salvini.

on top of that, as I explained yesterday, I consider the migration crisis to be the more pressing problem right now. as I said: only after the migration is under control does it make sense to turn back to our other domestic issues, which of course includes the financial instability and economic divergence in europe.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 3 2018 05:54am

just to clarify this: the biggest factor in power prices is the oil (or gas or coal) price, which is heavily influenced by the state of the world economy. therefore, I chose 2009 as the starting point since that's the year in which the current economic cycle started.

moreover, what you wrote isnt even true. 2009 did not have extremely low grid fees in the sense of "an outlier", the years before it had even lower grid prices. it was after 2009, and even more so since 2011, that grid fees went through the roof.

Almost like something big happened to the economy in 2008....

I wonder what could have slowed the economy in 2008/9 that may have made it a less than ideal comparison for other years....

it was the start of the current economic cycle. what's so hard to understand with this term?

and he was talking about grid fees anyway, which shouldnt be affected by the economic cycle.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 3 2018 06:15am