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Oct 17 2023 02:28pm
Quote (majorblood @ Oct 17 2023 03:19pm)


If there's only 168 million taxpayers and only about half of them are a net positive income for the state, that's about $1200 extra per person we're each forking over
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Oct 17 2023 02:30pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 17 2023 01:28pm)
If there's only 168 million taxpayers and only about half of them are a net positive income for the state, that's about $1200 extra per person we're each forking over


Goom math lol
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Oct 17 2023 02:30pm
Quote (majorblood @ Oct 17 2023 03:19pm)


Spare a moment for Papa Jerome Powell trying to single handedly kill inflation

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Oct 17 2023 02:31pm
Quote (darksoho @ 17 Oct 2023 20:35)
because those idiots are posting videos and that's not a fucking airstrike. we are bombing Gaza on a daily basis, yes sir. some high ranking Hamas personals are vaporized, strategic buildings and i belive as the days progress
with my own past experience there is a plan behind everything we bomb.

there is no possibility to air-strike 300 civilians.
the "air-strike" that is posted and already on the net on various places is not an air-strike. period. every fucking professional no matter it's nationality will say the same thing = this is a missile, not an air strike.
10 mins before the incident took place, those idiots fired a barrage to the center of Israel. a LOT in % compared to previous nights.
among those 10 mins, they posted they fired a longer range variation of a missile to a more Northern area in Israel ( landed somewhere in the sea ).

so, having said all that - withing those 10 to 15 mins the incident took place ( a self failed missile ).

this inhuman terror group will bomb, kill, stop from going south, etc.. it's own people in Gaza just to break free of what they got themselves into.


The video that I saw shared on the internet “from behind a fence” has the sound of a bomb gliding down followed by an explosion and no secondary explosions that could indicate a version with a Hamas failed ammo depot (like we see in eg Ukraine conflict when Russians blow ammo depots up).

Whatever the truth is, there seems to be more than a thousand dead in a hospital and it will be used against Israel now.
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Oct 17 2023 02:33pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Oct 17 2023 10:23pm)
It would be easy for me to say an end to all fighting is the solution. That's not realistic.
And also from an Israelis point of view, I imagine they believe they are in an existential struggle. They have been attacked in a barbaric way. There is also the vector that they have to send a message to Hezbollah, Iran and other potential detractors.

Unfortunately a proportional response would be perceived as a weakness in the region.

Its interesting that Israel is attacked brutally and they have experienced an existential crisis. Some people will deride Hamas and give the green light to Israel for any level of retribution; But they don't apply the same logic to Ukraine. A country that has experienced a very similar level of violence and existential danger.


again - this is nonsense from misunderstanding how is it to live under rockets, constantly.

Gaza is not a country, your comparison to Ukraine is irrelevant.
our country not being in a existential crisis by Gaza is also irrelevant.

a proportional response by the standards you seek is something you can't grasp if you are unfamiliar with Gaza and the bank, inexperienced and never was a soldier on an active level..

it's o.k and i don't mean to bash you, some politicians in my country are the same thing.. they are posting nonsense like "just nuke Gaza" , just "conquer it" and the other side is "use proportions"..

seems to me there is a meaningful gap ( i see it over and over ) for outsiders and their brilliant irrelevant to the reality in here ideas.


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Oct 17 2023 02:35pm
Seeing reports that the IDF bombed the Al-Ahly Arab Hospital. 1000+ reported dead, 600+ reported injured.

Seems IDF rationale is that Hamas was operating from within the hospital.

Edit: But also hearing claims that it was actually a Hamas bombing as a result of a misfiring rocket. Lots of misinformation circling around online. Difficult to make sense of what exactly happened.

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Spare a moment for Papa Jerome Powell trying to single handedly kill inflation


don't worry the population doesn't really understand how printing money ruins the value of their dollar
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Quote (Malopox @ Oct 17 2023 10:31pm)
The video that I saw shared on the internet “from behind a fence” has the sound of a bomb gliding down followed by an explosion and no secondary explosions that could indicate a version with a Hamas failed ammo depot (like we see in eg Ukraine conflict when Russians blow ammo depots up).

Whatever the truth is, there seems to be more than a thousand dead in a hospital and it will be used against Israel now.


it was not Hamas, it was actually the Jihad this time.

i already stated that i know the damage is done on some level, so i agree on that one.

take it from me.. it's a failed missile. simple and clear as that.


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Oct 17 2023 02:36pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 17 2023 09:28pm)
its apples and oranges. let's say Ukraine goes belly up and surrenders. Putin rolls in, arrests prosecutes and executes a small number of officials. or just jails forever most of them. those ukrainian people in the east likely become russian. the ukrainians in the west stay ukranian under a new putin puppet govt. there would be no genocide after a surrender.

if hamas had its way literally every israeli would be dead. every man, woman, and child. all dead to the last jew.


So because the intention or possible outcome is different, a similar level of violence is acceptable in one instance but not the other?

While I can see how you've framed that, not sure I can agree with it.

Also perspective. If your Ukrainian you probably experience a similar level of fear and existential threat as the Israeli's experienced from the Hamas attack.
Its not accurate to suggest that because Putin doesn't want to exterminate every Ukrainian, that it somehow mitigates their experience.

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Surveillance camera footage from Netiv Haasara shows a large barrage of rockets being launched from northern Gaza, followed by a massive blast in the Strip, apparently caused by a failed projectile.


https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1714377828131553446?s=20

that's gotta suck if true
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