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uh, why couldnt he pardon himself anymore if impeached? afaik, he only loses the pardon power once he is actually removed from office by a 2/3rd-vote of the senate. but the impeachment itself (by the House!) doesnt restrict his powers.
remember that Bill Clinton also got impeached by the House, and later was able to pardon his brother and cronies on his last day in office.

so theoretically, if the Dems win the House and impeach Trump, he could wait to see the picture of whether the senate is willing to remove him from office or not. if he deems the risk that the senate gives him the boot too high, he could just pardon himself and then resign, in a last big troll move.

Pretty sure the pardon power IS another check and balance. People who call for amendments, always worry me.





There's a big difference between Blue Wave (assuming it happens) and a 2/3 majority.

I think a President can pardon themselves after being impeached. I don't see why not. I mean, it's political suicide, but I don't see why it's not theoretically possible.

Constitutional scholars are split on the idea of a self-pardon. But given a President can pardon themselves, I don't see why an impeachment would prevent that from being possible.

Now, I think the impeachment proceedings would still proceed, pardon or not, but the President could be removed of any legal jeopardy separate from the political process of impeachment.

Actually, now that I think about it, I think a pardon can only be used for convicted federal crimes, not charges or indictments. And if a sitting president is not able to be indicted as Giuliani and others have suggested, Trump could be fucked out of a self-pardon if impeachment/conviction proceedings removed him office. He could be indicted after he leaves office and would have to depend on a Pence pardon.



It wouldn't just be a troll move. It would be the biggest disgrace to American democracy in the country's history.

The fact that we are even discussing the idea of a self-pardon is gross to me. These are the types of conversations the Trump presidency inevitably forces our democracy to have.

I find it hilarious. If he really self-pardoned himself before fucking off into the ether, his haters would be so sooooo sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo TRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIGGGGGGEEEEERRRRRREEEEDDDD


This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 21 2018 11:08pm

You think Nixon was a pariah? If Trump leaves with a self-pardon, his historical legacy would be locked into the consensus worst president in US history. That's more punishment than almost anything else he could receive in my book.

He could have just lived the rest of his days as a lovable billionaire banging porn stars on his golf courses. Instead, he becomes one of the most despised figures in American history and tarnishes his family name long after he is gone.

Do you feel the HATE in your posts?

/e Do you honestly think that's a GOOD thing?

This post was edited by Ghot on Aug 21 2018 11:16pm

Yea, that 13th amendment is a real pain in the ass, isn't it?

wouldnt he also be rated the worst president in history if he got impeached and then actually removed from office? wouldnt his family name also be tarnished for a long time in that case?

and wouldnt leaving the office in disgrace still be better than spending the rest of his life in prison?


I dont think there's any chance it ever comes that far, but yeah...

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 21 2018 11:26pm

Sorry, I wasn't alive then. I mean NOW. English much?

/e It's really telling when folks pretending to rational discussions of things, turn into slavering beast when they even THINK there might even be a slim chance of impeaching a president... for nothing. LOL

This post was edited by Ghot on Aug 21 2018 11:25pm