I think you're remembering second term Obama more than his first term. He was very productive in his first term, particularly during his first two years when he had both chambers of Congress.

Trump has whiffed on two major policy areas - immigration and repealing the ACA. If he loses the House, his window of opportunity for domestic policy might have passed him by.

He did get tax reform, but that's about it. Everything else has been patchwork with executive orders and memorandums. Sure, he's gotten two SCOTUS nominations, but so would any average replacement Republican in his place. You shouldn't get a cookie for SCOTUS nominees - they strategically retire.

If you want to make a case for Trump over Obama, it's in foreign policy. And that's debatable, but it would be your best case. As far as domestic policy, Obama was better in his first two years than Trump (relative to what each of their respective supporters wanted).

Trump did a partisan tax cut scam though! And he's gonna build a wall!

i thought my answer was clear. obviously i dont prefer something that's pathetic.

i try on a fairly regular basis, just rarely with you. read you sig? idk

Obamacare rose prices and rose death rates. Its the opposite of progress.

Obama got nothing done because his ideas were unpopular.

Gonna need a source for this.

I would consider Obamacare and the Trump tax overhaul to be equally big policy achievements for their respective side.

And lets not forget that the massive backlash against Obama and his Democrats in the 2010 midterms, which crippled the rest of his presidency, was a reaction to his activities during the first two years when he had Congress. He did what he wanted to do for 2 years, and voters forcefully SHUT him down at the first opportunity.

But the same can, of course, also happen to Trump.






Trump is not done yet with immigration, and the GOP might very well pass a repeal of obamacare if they can somehow hold onto the House and expand their lead in the Senate by 2-3 seats. (Which isnt as unlikely as it sounds, considering the ridiculous Senate map this fall.)


When it comes to foreign policy, I currently see Trump ahead of Obama, but foreign policy is notoriously difficult and complex - properly assessing the foreign policy decisions made by a president isnt possible until several years after his term.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 21 2018 09:07pm

bit of an overstatement, although u may just not be stating everything for convenience of a shorter post. anti-Obamacare rhetoric was a part of it. but there was also crazy af conspiracy theories mudding the water about him putting in a muslim caliphate and not being a legitimate American. its hard to actually measure these thing, but I think the anti-black anti-muslim sentiments were notable. "Obama was the one who devided America" has reached buzzphrase status, and that sure as heck isn't an Obamacare thing. nor really his policy. it was about who he was, and who people said he was.

Tax reform was virtually guaranteed and everybody knew it. Obamacare was far from guaranteed and was hotly debated for two full years. It took far more political capital to pass Obamacare than it did to pass Trump's tax reform.

this is true.

we're in a large % in favor of tax cuts. huge %

we're in a large % for some sort of better healthcare system, but its fragments of smaller %'s that cant agree on what to do.