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orange man bad deports actual national-socialist back to dresden
if heinrich von goebbels’ tds wasnt dialed up enough already his relative getting hit with the banhammer will break the scale


welcome your 3rd cousin back with a vienerschnitzel for us Fendy
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>locked scammer who says he only sold stolen items in 2010 on his 2018 jsp account questioning anyone’s credibility


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Don't get me wrong, I think they are probably both bottom 5 presidents. Trump's presidency isn't complete, though, so I just don't feel completely comfortable giving him a full assessment quite yet. Also, you have to understand, I really despise George W. Bush.

I also think it's way too premature to say Trump is a Russian asset or is compromised. Let the Special Counsel play out first. The biggest issue with Trump's presidency thus far is the damage he has done to democratic institutions and norms.

But as far as actual policy, he doesn't done much. Sure, he's created a lot of self-inflicted controversy and has exacerbated partisanship, but he hasn't involved us in any awful foreign conflicts (yet). The Iraq War was probably the worst foreign policy decision in our country's history. And when you combine it with the the WMD stuff and the lack of international approval, oof.

Trump didn't even repeal the ACA. That actually might be a net-negative in my book. I was hoping for an ACA board wipe so that folks in the Rust Belt would completely turn on the GOP and we could get actual universal healthcare come 2020-2024 as a result of the inevitable reactionary movement to Trump.


I guess you don't know what "asset" means. Trump is a Russian asset there's no questions about it. Whether he's compromised or not is a different story and Mueller will be able to help us out with that, but based on Trumps actions and tweets, I would say he's probably compromised to some extent.
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>locked scammer who says he only sold stolen items in 2010 on his 2018 jsp account questioning anyone’s credibility


yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about, lawn fairy. I guess you aren't aware d2jsp traces ISPs & d2jsp users can report other users when for multiple accounts.
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Aug 21 2018 09:30am
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I guess you don't know what "asset" means. Trump is a Russian asset there's no questions about it. Whether he's compromised or not is a different story and Mueller will be able to help us out with that, but based on Trumps actions and tweets, I would say he's probably compromised to some extent.


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In intelligence, assets are persons within organizations or countries being spied upon who provide information for an outside spy.[1][2][3][4] They are sometimes referred to as agents, and in law enforcement parlance, as confidential informants, or "CIs" for short.

There are different categories of assets, including people who:

1 Willingly work for a foreign government for ideological reasons such as being against their government, but live in a country that doesn't allow political opposition. They may elect to work with a foreign power to change their own country because there are few other ways available.

2 Work for monetary gain. Intelligence services often pay good wages to people in important positions that are willing to betray secrets.

3 Have been blackmailed and are forced into their role.

4 Do not even know they are being used. Assets can be loyal to their country, but may still provide a foreign agent with information through failures in information safety, such as using insecure computers or not following proper OPSEC procedures during day-to-day chatting.


To be fair its a bit of a buzzword as the #4 definition isnt the imagery that that word brings to mind. people generally assume 1-3, which Mueller is seemingly far from proving, given that his focus thusfar has been a single meeting in Trump tower that both sides agree was an outreach meeting for oppo research and campaign finance violations.
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Aug 21 2018 09:36am
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To be fair its a bit of a buzzword as the #4 definition isnt the imagery that that word brings to mind. people generally assume 1-3, which Mueller is seemingly far from proving, given that his focus thusfar has been a single meeting in Trump tower that both sides agree was an outreach meeting for oppo research and campaign finance violations.


Though a lot of those definitions can apply to Trump (working for monetary gain, probably blackmailed, may not be aware he's being used to the extent he's being used) I don't even mean "asset" in an intelligence perspective, I just mean it in the literal oxford-english-dictionary sense... Asset: "A useful or valuable thing or person." Trump (A person) is very useful and valuable to Putin/Russia/The Kremlin.
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Aug 21 2018 10:21am
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Last 9 or ten posts are just amazing.

It seems to me that for lack of anything justified to blame Trump for, folks will twist and turn logic, every which way, to create something to blame Trump for.

"As far as actual policy, he hasn't done much".

Foreign policy: Pulled the US out of a slew of trade deals and other agreements, that were detrimental to the US or the world. More or less started a trade war, of which we won't see the outcome for years.

National policy: Really beat up and then redrew the nations tax laws. Has been ripping all the legs out from under ACA. FINALLY started to do something about the totally ridiculous immigration laws. Actually has been "draining the swamp".



Yet I see Trump being blamed for exacerbated partisanship, when it's the Dems who are doing that. Blamed for doing nothing, which just isn't true and is only being stalled by the Dems again. Blamed for all kinds of other things, and even sued for them, yet he still keeps coming out unscathed.

Seems to me that the keynotes of this presidency are things like a political party (Dems) that probably DID collude with Russia, and then tried every low down method of cheating to win an election, and even fucked that up. Then spent the next 2 years tjhrowing tacks down in front of Trump for having the unmitigated gall to actually win, and start making some serious improvements in this country.

More or less cracks me up when I read the more erudite poster's attempts to bend the truth to suit their unwarranted beliefs?



I kinda wish I could live another 100 years to read about how the History books will deal with this presidency. (Or maybe 200 years).


Despite the chaotic news cycles, Trump actually hasn't done a whole bunch. His biggest domestic achievement is tax reform. That's not insignificant, but he has also whiffed badly on the ACA and immigration reform.

As far as foreign policy, it's been a mixed bag. Pulling out of the Iran Deal is significant, holding a summit with NK is significant. The tariff/trade war stuff isn't significant...yet. If it tanks our economy or he can use it as leverage to negotiate better trade deals for the US, it will certainly make an impact on his historical ranking in one way or another.

Similar to the second term of Obama, it's been a lot of executive orders and political posturing. Been a pretty similar story with Trump, just with the addition of more self-inflicted controversies. Not a whole bunch has really changed, especially considering that the GOP controls both chambers of Congress. If the GOP loses the House, Trump is going to be handicapped for the rest of this term.
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Aug 21 2018 10:38am
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welcome your 3rd cousin back with a vienerschnitzel for us Fendy


as if it wasn't bad enough that your eternal butthurt triggered you to make these constant off topic posts begging for my attention, you can't even think of something original and resort to the same lazy nazi innuendos that another founding member of my intellectually challeneged fanclub resorts to...

you could at least look up how to spell that stuff, trench boy...
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Aug 21 2018 10:52am
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as if it wasn't bad enough that your eternal butthurt triggered you to make these constant off topic posts begging for my attention, you can't even think of something original and resort to the same lazy nazi innuendos that another founding member of my intellectually challeneged fanclub resorts to...

you could at least look up how to spell that stuff, trench boy...


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Aug 21 2018 10:53am
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as if it wasn't bad enough that your eternal butthurt triggered you to make these constant off topic posts begging for my attention, you can't even think of something original and resort to the same lazy nazi innuendos that another founding member of my intellectually challeneged fanclub resorts to...

you could at least look up how to spell that stuff, trench boy...


the spelling was on purpose to act as a mocking phoenetic jibe, because you krauts so often pronounce w's as v's, f's sometimes get the same treatment. vhat do you have to say vender?
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Aug 21 2018 11:08am
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the spelling was on purpose to act as a mocking phoenetic jibe, because you krauts so often pronounce w's as v's, f's sometimes get the same treatment. vhat do you have to say vender?


i'd say that this is yet another pathetic excuse because you're too proud to admit you lack education and culture, and that it doesn't even work because it would actually be the correct pronunciation, so even your transparent attempt to save face was a massive fail, trench boy...
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