Again: I am not against the early implementation of EVs. What I am against is the government forcing the previous tech out of the market before the new tech is reliably ready to take up the slack. I want EVs to replace fossil cars organically, if and when they have become superior.

The equivalent to the current situation regarding fossil vs electric vehicles would be governments in 1890 deciding that horses will be banned starting in 1905, assuming (without any guarantee) that the road and gas station infrastructure will be ready by then.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 6 2022 01:24pm

We are significantly further along than we were when the light bulb was invented. Again if the status quo is harmful, and we now understand it compared to the days when we didn't even understand electricity and companies have no reason to change, they won't. Your average person will be the ones suffering in the end in congested smogged cities hitting annual highs year after year with record amount of forest fires and we will just sit here in perpetuity.

You may need a party to intervene and have things expedited. R&D can be pretty amazing once you say the current status quo will be no more. Organic growth isn't going to happen if someone dosen't cattle prod things to start to get the ball rolling.

I live in the Arctic. We're hitting close to 30C day after day. Not just a one off day, its day after day. Fish are dying in the rivers. You expedite the world heating up I cant even fathom the consequences here. No one needs to wait for non incentivized organic growth.

This post was edited by SBD on Jul 6 2022 01:33pm

good times when governments back in the set a deadline where horses would be banned from the roads to make room for the earliest cars that were not good enough for daily business

except that this never happened

Since the power grid of the future will rely even more on solar power, I think that there's no way around having charging plugs at all parking lots. If people's cars can be charged up at day with solar power while they're at work, at the gym, doing their groceries etc., then we can use the battery capacity from the vehicle fleet to supply power at night. With some sort of smart grid solution, electric vehicles can be used to solve the problem of storing excess renewable energy at day and meeting energy demands when the sun has gone down.

People just have no idea how much money, time and materials it would take to create the corresponding charging infrastructure.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 6 2022 01:34pm

this is just saying "there may be enough energy, IF the sun shines enough and if not it will be rationed" in a fancy way

electricity demand has to be met in time and not with prayers

In operation, solar power is already cheaper than fossil power - the main problem is the inability to store excess production on bright, sunny days for cloudy days or nighttime. Once the storage problem is mitigated, we will also need to keep fewer gas or coal plants on standby to smooth out peaks in power generation or demand.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 6 2022 01:52pm

there is this one pink elephant in the room, who can supply 24/7 baseload with great efficiency, very little space and plenty of room for future development.....

that being said the problems still wont go away even if we turn especially germany into a windmill wasteland

Why does it need to be organic? Governments intervene all the time in markets (i.e. defense, pharma, finance, etc.) As someone who supports Bernie Sanders, the least successful Jew in history, I'm surprised that you suddenly took a libertarian stance.

EV technology is superior for MOST people who live in the first world. A shit tier Tesla absolutely crushes $60K+ muscle cars in terms of performance and the maintenance costs are SIGNIFICANTLY lower. You would have a point if we were having the discussion 10 years ago but every car company is putting out an electric vehicle. The technology is here and it's ready for prime time.

Governments regulate harmful products all the time. This isn't new....

yes, but so far they havent regulated one of the most important technologies in human history

rofl, a tesla doesnt crush anything with its mediocre quality, questionable lifespan, high energy production etc, not to mention that elon musk is a scammer who only makes money from emission certificates and not the cars

have fun with a tesla when the battery is done and a new costs more than the remaining value of the thing

meanwhile a toyota for a fracture of the price needs some fresh oil and spare parts for a few hundred bucks to run 10 more years

This post was edited by JohnnyMcCoy on Jul 6 2022 02:21pm

The build quality of a Tesla is bad but performance and handling are great. What's the 0-60 time of your vehicle? If it's over 5 seconds...LOL!

The fact that you're hanging onto a car for that long tells me everything I need to know about your ambition in life. If you can't afford to get a new car every 5 years, you're doing something wrong with your finances and/or career. Do you also use Windows 95?