its just beyond hilarious how the stupid green ideology has created the current mess and produced absurd pictures like above

if their utopia shit would be even remotely viable it would happen without restrictions, government coercion or subsidies

Yes. I find that if you change the evidence, people often make valid points.

I did, at least partially:




But there is even more to it:



Normally, society would wait until the new technology is mature and superior to the old technology before moving on from the old tech. It would happen organically. But when it comes to cars with electric versus combustion engines, this is not how we approach it. Governments are trying to force EVs into the market and fossil cars out of the market while EVs are still inferior, technologically and performance-wise. The EU parliament just voted for a fixed end date for fossil cars and if the Biden admin had the votes, they'd do the same.

So yes, considering this context, it is politicaly relevant when EVs are running out of charge because the charging infrastructure isn't anywhere ready yet, only to then rely on the oh-so-evil fossil energy to keep going. But I guess having this larger context in mind makes me "low-info", lmao.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 6 2022 12:54pm

that deadline will get rekt by reality anyway, we dont have the resources and nowhere near enough electricity to make it happen

in fact the output goes down into this current crisis, when it should go up

yeah, let's just ignore the FACTS about the climate crisis and the centuries of ridiculous subsidies that went into the fossil fuel industry. you people are such bootlickers, it's unbelievable...

if you were principled about your "logic", you'd learn to ride a horse, because:



but obviously you're not - you just uncritically regurgitate whatever your fossil fuel funded leaders and pundits tell you...

I don't even think that sufficient power generation will be the issue. The larger problem is that it's just not possible to build the charging infrastructure which would be required for an all-electric vehicle fleet in time to meet those deadlines. And another problem is that we would need ridiculous amounts of rare earths to build all the batteries, which would lead to all sorts of issues and geopolitical implications.

Disruptive technology has been implemented throughout history before it was ready for its implementation. If anything, it forced other technologies around it, early adoption of EV's might expedite battery tech, infrastructure development, etc. Just like early development of the computer. Humans outcclassed computers but they were still tossed in the workplace dispite it being an inefficient mess and that drove more and more development.

When you have enough of a population that's happy at status quo and its clear that status quo is going to cause long term damage, yes it appears you need someone to start trying to force new ideas before people are no longer happy with status quo because they're living in an irreversible smog shithole at 35C all the time.

This post was edited by SBD on Jul 6 2022 01:13pm

What an absurd comment lol. You're just like the morons who were against ICE vehicles because it would be "too hard" to build gas stations. Horses are obviously superior because hay is everywhere!

None of that refutes my argument. Whether fossil cars became the dominant technology based on subsidies or not doesn't matter for the here and now. It's insanity to outlaw the established tech at a fixed date in the near future, in favor of a still-inferior tech, and basing our whole infrastructure and mobility on the vague hope that several severe bottlenecks and problems of the new tech will all be figured out by then.

thats another story, some people dont even consider that rebuilding the global vehicle fleet is a question mark at best when it comes to resources

one of my old professors sits on a board that evaluates the usage of elements and they keep saying that its a terrible idea to dump crazy amounts of lithium into car batteries

but who cares, the narrative has to stand no matter what and the environmental destruction is elsewhere anyway

power is still an issue though, its very simple math if you want to charge millions of electric cars at like 5-6pm

good night