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Nov 13 2021 03:39pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Nov 13 2021 02:37pm)
I think he's a dumbass for going to defend dumpsters in the riot.
But his reactions were self defense.



Well I agree with you the cops were at fault. From the knee on the back of his neck to the time it took to get him help.
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Nov 13 2021 03:40pm
Quote (WickedDarkJuggalos @ Nov 13 2021 03:38pm)
Garbage.


Yawn. You seem obsessed with putting words in my mouth lol. "You guys all repeat the same talking points uncritically" "Oh, so you're saying XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX extreme version of whatever I disagree with?!?!?!?"

This is getting old. I post, you get triggered, assume I'm saying whatever terrible thing you wish I said, and then call me names. Been there, done that. Just another stalker.
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Nov 13 2021 03:42pm
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Well I agree with you the cops were at fault. From the knee on the back of his neck to the time it took to get him help.


That is my point on the floyd death.. From the time he was "subdued" or in cuffs they had a responsibility to stop the neck hold and give medical aid.
Getting him to the ground fine.
Knee to neck to get cuffs on I'm even fine with..
it's the 9+ minutes of compression that makes it fault of cops.. Even the ones that just stood by could of stepped in and said/done something.
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Nov 13 2021 03:49pm
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That is my point on the floyd death.. From the time he was "subdued" or in cuffs they had a responsibility to stop the neck hold and give medical aid.
Getting him to the ground fine.
Knee to neck to get cuffs on I'm even fine with..
it's the 9+ minutes of compression that makes it fault of cops.. Even the ones that just stood by could of stepped in and said/done something.


If it was a black cop and a white redneck dead you'd spend exactly 1 second thinking about this whole thing and conclude innocent cop, period
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Nov 13 2021 03:51pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Nov 13 2021 04:40pm)
Yawn. You seem obsessed with putting words in my mouth lol. "You guys all repeat the same talking points uncritically" "Oh, so you're saying XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX extreme version of whatever I disagree with?!?!?!?"

This is getting old. I post, you get triggered, assume I'm saying whatever terrible thing you wish I said, and then call me names. Been there, done that. Just another stalker.


Netflix retreating into his hole.

You bring the jury into the conversation and I showed how the jury had been compromised.

When I say “are you saying that x”? That means this is what you are inferring would you like to refute that.

I thought you were some super smart scientist guy you are a fucking moron who cannot defend the simplest of arguments. I am sorry but you are such a fake fucking weasel I cannot help but single you out.

You can’t even properly quote me anymore because you look stupid. You did the same thing last night I asked very direct questions with a line of blank in between each question and you omitted them from the quote when responding. Get a fucking clue dude you are a fucking bird.
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Nov 13 2021 03:56pm
Quote (WickedDarkJuggalos @ Nov 13 2021 03:51pm)
Netflix retreating into his hole.
You bring the jury into the conversation and I showed how the jury had been compromised.
When I say “are you saying that x”? That means this is what you are inferring would you like to refute that.
I thought you were some super smart scientist guy you are a fucking moron who cannot defend the simplest of arguments. I am sorry but you are such a fake fucking weasel I cannot help but single you out.
You can’t even properly quote me anymore because you look stupid. You did the same thing last night I asked very direct questions with a line of blank in between each question and you omitted them from the quote when responding. Get a fucking clue dude you are a fucking bird.


If you look at my post, you would see I'm not actually talking about the jury. In fact, I didn't mention it once. I specifically criticized Goom for claiming the result was fixed because he didn't like the result, and then criticized Nib for uncritically repeating talking points like an NPC.

But you're not here to discuss anything. You're here to build a strawman so you can insult me.
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Quote (Nibthebarb @ Nov 13 2021 01:49pm)
If it was a black cop and a white redneck dead you'd spend exactly 1 second thinking about this whole thing and conclude innocent cop, period


wrong.. nice baseless accusation
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Nov 13 2021 04:28pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 13 2021 08:33pm)
The topline conclusion that magically had zero supporting evidence laid out anywhere in the text of the autopsy, which didn't exist on the first draft and was only put in after Freeman's office went to visit the ME and 'correct' him?
You're right, we've done this ad nauseum.
And I've pointed out before, the logical observation is always the one where your conclusion is based upon the weight of the evidence. Rather than the one where you already have a conclusion and shape a wild theory that tries to nimbly pass through every small hole in the evidence and just flattens itself against several brick walls in the process anyway. There's not a single piece of evidence in the autopsy of physical harm from the restraint, but there were a dozen ways they ruled it out. They checked for everything that could be present, but wasn't, bruising, subdermal trauma, petechial hemorrhaging, etc. We can see that it didn't blood choke Floyd or cut off his airflow enough to stop him from talking freely, nor was the force enough to stop him from moving his head. There's not just one or two indicators of a drug overdose, there's every possible indicator. They have his history of near-death overdoses on the same drug, his history of chronic heart problems, the far above lethal dose in his system, the polysubstance abuse, the 90% blocked coronal artery, the 3:1 LVH, the 200% enlarged heart, the evidence at the same and witness statements that show he downed the whole bag of fentanyl when the police showed up.

In a sane world, we'd say that there is a preponderance of evidence that establishes Chauvin didn't cause Floyd's death. In a nutty world, we'd construct a wild theory to suggest its possible that Chauvin happened to use the goldilocks sweet point of force that wasn't enough to leave a mark but was just enough to restrict airflow a bit, and hovered expertly in that position for 8 minutes, and that reduction of airflow could somehow have been a causal factor in Floyd's heart failing that was not actually occurring due to the lethal dose of Fentanyl, but instead we're supposed to believe that Floyd had a tolerance to the drug. Despite the part where just months prior he was hospitalized a blood pressure of 216/160, something you'd expect from a loony toons character, the "how is he even alive" levels.

But hey we can always lower the evidence burden in our criminal system from "proved beyond a reasonable doubt" to "speculated in spite of evidence". I guess that's the difference in end goals between Libertarian and Civil Libertarian


Big words, but how come i don't find this when i search for it? Say he actually died of an opioid overdose. Why wouldn't he give him the assistance he needed after he "od'd" on opioids? A quick check shows he was holding his knee on Floyds neck for a minute after the ambulance arrivded. Apparently all documented on video. He certainly seemed content to deliberately deny him the medical help he needed, which on its own qualifies as homicide
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Nov 13 2021 04:33pm
Quote (Neptunus @ Nov 13 2021 04:28pm)
Big words, but how come i don't find this when i search for it? Say he actually died of an opioid overdose. Why wouldn't he give him the assistance he needed after he "od'd" on opioids? A quick check shows he was holding his knee on Floyds neck for a minute after the ambulance arrivded. Apparently all documented on video. He certainly seemed content to deliberately deny him the medical help he needed, which on its own qualifies as homicide


Which is why homicide was always a guarantee and the only question was how high of a degree
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Nov 13 2021 04:47pm
Quote (Neptunus @ Nov 13 2021 04:28pm)
Big words, but how come i don't find this when i search for it? Say he actually died of an opioid overdose. Why wouldn't he give him the assistance he needed after he "od'd" on opioids? A quick check shows he was holding his knee on Floyds neck for a minute after the ambulance arrivded. Apparently all documented on video. He certainly seemed content to deliberately deny him the medical help he needed, which on its own qualifies as homicide


They called EMTs almost immediately, and upgraded it to an emergency call within 2 minutes. That's their job. They are police, not paramedics, the only thing that could have saved Floyd's life at that point was dousing him with narcan sprayed out of a hose.
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