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Jul 9 2017 11:44pm
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I don't believe in ideological or community purity, and rightfully respect accurate and deserved criticism and protest, including that which is directed towards the gay community.


Why would black lives matter attack the pro-gay event instead of the pro-police event, when BLM's is an anti-police movement?
Bus fare to the suburbs a bit too much?

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Jul 9 2017 11:52pm
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Why would black lives matter attack the pro-gay event instead of the pro-police event, when BLM's is an anti-police movement?
Bus fare to the suburbs a bit too much?


Because BLM is targeting the group that, at least ideologically, is a closer ally. Therefore increasing the chances of success with their actions, since the return on investments is potentially higher. Additionally, there are several people likely who were/are connected to BLM in this specific case who are LGBTQ+, so it's also very salient for them to protest Pride.

Besides, Pride began as an event to commemorate the Stonewall Riots, which was an anti-police riot. The gay community/Pride has lost touch from these roots in many ways.
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Jul 10 2017 01:15am
How does antagonizing their own 'ideological allies' help their cause? I mean the entirety of BLM is self defeating in the first place as it alienates more than it engenders sympathies anyway, but targeting gays is one of the more self destructive methods. BLM can't get past people pointing out their hypocrisy in addressing the narrow lens of police violence while ignoring the vastly larger epidemic of black-on-black violence, then they compound that with the hypocrisy of persecuting another minority group while steering clear of the group that they're actually supposed to be opposed to just because the gays are an easy target?
All it does is tell people that BLM are unreasonable thugs not worth any sympathy. And the only reason BLM engages in these actions in the first place is because that's true.
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Jul 10 2017 01:33am
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How does antagonizing their own 'ideological allies' help their cause? I mean the entirety of BLM is self defeating in the first place as it alienates more than it engenders sympathies anyway, but targeting gays is one of the more self destructive methods. BLM can't get past people pointing out their hypocrisy in addressing the narrow lens of police violence while ignoring the vastly larger epidemic of black-on-black violence, then they compound that with the hypocrisy of persecuting another minority group while steering clear of the group that they're actually supposed to be opposed to just because the gays are an easy target?
All it does is tell people that BLM are unreasonable thugs not worth any sympathy. And the only reason BLM engages in these actions in the first place is because that's true.


Police violence and black-on-black violence aren't comparable though in terms of their social dynamics.

The idea is that to foster better coalition work by identifying and addressing problematic elements within your own/allied communities.
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Jul 10 2017 02:01am
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Police violence and black-on-black violence aren't comparable though in terms of their social dynamics.

The idea is that to foster better coalition work by identifying and addressing problematic elements within your own/allied communities.


Identify problems like homophobia within the black community? Address that perhaps? Or is that also some incomparable social dynamic?
But I suppose when BLM chain themselves together to block a pride parade, that's "fostering better coalition" with an allied community?
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Jul 10 2017 01:01pm
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Identify problems like homophobia within the black community? Address that perhaps? Or is that also some incomparable social dynamic?
But I suppose when BLM chain themselves together to block a pride parade, that's "fostering better coalition" with an allied community?


It's an attempt yes, and one strategy of many.
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Jul 10 2017 01:26pm
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Why would black lives matter attack the pro-gay event instead of the pro-police event, when BLM's is an anti-police movement?
Bus fare to the suburbs a bit too much?


#BLM isn't anti-police, it is anti-murder.

Like organizations that are against pedophilia aren't necessarily anti-catholic....
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Jul 10 2017 02:17pm
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#BLM isn't anti-police, it is anti-murder.

Like organizations that are against pedophilia aren't necessarily anti-catholic....


Do you speak for all the BLM marchers in the streets shouting 'fuck the police'?
If they're so anti-murder not anti-police, why do they march when black men are shot while trying to murder the police?
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Jul 10 2017 02:21pm
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Do you speak for all the BLM marchers in the streets shouting 'fuck the police'?
If they're so anti-murder not anti-police, why do they march when black men are shot while trying to murder the police?


Let's start at the beginning.

What is, in your opinion, an accurate way to determine what a large organization actually stands for?
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Jul 10 2017 02:27pm
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Let's start at the beginning.

What is, in your opinion, an accurate way to determine what a large organization actually stands for?


easy: if you don't like / support it, it's the most vile / stupid / outrageous thing any individual, that you can somehow connect to the movement, has ever said. that's representative for the whole organisation obviously and therefore their real message can obviously be dismissed...

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