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Sep 30 2022 12:01pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Sep 30 2022 12:55pm)
Even Pelosi and her family have investments in China :rofl:
They have a fund office here in Hong Kong :rofl:

I am currently residing in Hong Kong .
Trump's family have vested economical interest in China as well.



That’s what I’m saying. The US needs China. It makes no sense to sabotage them this soon.
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Sep 30 2022 12:02pm
Quote (MadMan87 @ 1 Oct 2022 02:01)
That’s what I’m saying. The US needs China. It makes no sense to sabotage them this soon.


We can only look at things as it unfolds, somethings are just too complicated to fully understand their intentions.
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Sep 30 2022 03:25pm
hunter biden was on the board of a gas company in Ukraine

Nord pipe line issues

Who do you think will be supply Europe with energy this winter?
Who do you think has the most to gain from this?

:rolleyes:
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Sep 30 2022 03:47pm
Quote (Mondain @ 1 Oct 2022 05:25)
hunter biden was on the board of a gas company in Ukraine

Nord pipe line issues

Who do you think will be supply Europe with energy this winter?
Who do you think has the most to gain from this?

:rolleyes:


Just a joke. :rofl:

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Quote (Mondain @ Sep 30 2022 10:25pm)
hunter biden was on the board of a gas company in Ukraine

Nord pipe line issues

Who do you think will be supply Europe with energy this winter?
Who do you think has the most to gain from this?

:rolleyes:


Who will supply Europe this winter? Norway...
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Sep 30 2022 05:47pm)


heh well...

Last week Zelenskyy was calling for Sabotage, Then a few days later the Nord Pipeline is Sabotaged...

America has paid off the dept Ukraine had with the world banks.
America is sending aid to Ukraine.

The president of America and his son have ties to Ukraine Energy.

Just connect the dots imo...
Ukraine sabotaged the pipeline, so it could be the supplier of energy to Europe and certain people get filthy stinkin rich.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Sep 30 2022 05:50pm)
Who will supply Europe this winter? Norway...

Well there were still some EU countries getting energy from russia despite sanctions etc.

This post was edited by Mondain on Sep 30 2022 03:54pm
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Quote (Mondain @ 1 Oct 2022 05:53)
heh well...

Last week Zelenskyy was calling for Sabotage, Then a few days later the Nord Pipeline is Sabotaged...

America has paid off the dept Ukraine had to the world banks.
America is sending aid to Ukraine.

The president of America and his son have ties to Ukraine Energy.

Just connect the dots imo...
Ukraine sabotaged the pipeline, so it could be the supplier of energy to Europe and certain people get filthy stinkin rich.


I just realized that the Baltic pipeline is operational starting 27th September?
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I just realized that the Baltic pipeline is operational starting 27th September?


convenient
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Sep 30 2022 05:15pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 30 2022 12:50am)
If China was so staunchly non-interventionist, then why are they supporting the side which is invading its neighbor?

China is doing what every other nation in the world is doing except for the West and a handful of American vassal states (Japan, ROK, etc): stating that they don't agree with the war and calling for peace.

Like, are you even aware that China does not recognize Russia's annexation of Crimea? Silly question, of course you aren't and it probably never even occurred to you consider that.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 30 2022 12:50am)
Based on their treatment of the Uyghurs

I was in Xinjiang in late 2018. It's doing just fine, and the people are broadly supportive of the policies that the central government took wrt terrorism, from what I could tell.

If you only read about Xinjiang from Western news, you would think that place is a despotic hellscape full of nothing but checkpoints, barbed wire and ugly concrete buildings. There is some of that (probably less now than when I was there), but there's also just a totally normal society with amazing food and nice people.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 30 2022 12:50am)
any other kinds of domestic dissenters

Waah, China doesn't let Western-funded NGOs set up shop in China and wreak havoc waah

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 30 2022 12:50am)
based on their increasingly aggressive saber-rattling with regard to Taiwan

The upsets to the status quo are entirely caused by American provocations against the OCP.

The PRC is just fine with the status quo, it's America and the West that are trying to provoke a situation, trying to cause a Chinese version of the Ukraine debacle.

Your society is under some pretty incredible stresses due to Ukraine, how bad do you think it's going to get when America succeeds (as it eventually will) in creating a crisis with a country that by some measures is nearly a third of the entire world's GDP?

But sure, cheer it on all the way. At least you'll have the most important thing in life, if not food and heating: The Moral High Ground.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 30 2022 12:50am)
German gas storages owned by Gazprom had a systematically lower filling level than those owned by anyone else. The buying on the spot market was a stupid idea and a self-inflicted wound, but it affected the market price we had to pay for our gas, not so much the distribution of said gas among the various storages.

The price affected how much you purchased. Basically, Europeans viewed gas like it was just a product that magically appeared on the shelf of your local supermarket and at any time you could just buy some more, so you didn't keep a good store in the pantry.

Then you started boycotting the supermarket, and your Good Friend America came in and bombed the road you take to the supermarket.

And you blame the supermarket for these things.
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Sep 30 2022 05:39pm
Ugh, reading the rest of this thread and so many bad takes here.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 30 2022 01:31am)
1. Subjecting an entire ethnic group to mass incarceration, forced sterilization and a targeted destruction of their culture just because some terrorists shared their religion is excessive, even for an authoritarian country.

There was never 'mass incarceration', there was a *wink wink* voluntary training program in order to rapidly bring up the incomes of Uyghurs. Even Western "journalists" openly admit that these training centers are largely closed now. Why are they closed? Because they served their purpose of getting Uyghurs into the workforce. Chinese thinking here is that terrorism resulting from radical ideologies need poverty to find fertile ground, and so they sought to rapidly raise the living standards of people in XUAR. Indeed, incomes in XUAR have quadrupled over the past 10 years. Yes, quadrupled.

For extra bonus points, square that with the absolutely insane and unfounded claims of forced labour in XUAR. It's impossible.

There is no forced sterilization. The guy who came up with this insane stuff is Adrian Zenz, a right-wing Christian fundamentalist who literally believes he has been given a mission by God to defeat the Antichrist, whose rise will come about when Chinese communism destroys capitalism. I am not exaggerating that, that's not an unfair characterization of his beliefs. He doesn't speak or read Mandarin, Uyghur or Tibetan (he was previously a Tibet "scholar" before the West got bored of that and switched to Xinjiang warmongering).

The genocide-by-sterilization stuff is especially awful because it basically casts birth control and family planning as a form of genocide. When you get down to it, accepting this thesis brings you very close to right-wing Replacement Theory beliefs.

Rather than a destruction of Uyghur culture, China is protecting it. For hundreds of years since Islam's introduction into Xinjiang, Uyghurs have had in their culture wine making, female imams, expressive dance. Wahhabi Islam of the type that was starting to take hold in Xinjiang (and yes, America was pushing it just as they did in the 1970s in Afghanistan) was threatening that. Opposing Wahhabism is an act of cultural preservation, not destruction.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 30 2022 01:31am)
2. It is still mainland China which wants to forcibly "reunite" (read: annex) Taiwan while Taiwan just wants to be acknowledged and left alone. The CCP still holds a massive grudge against Taiwan out of ideological and historic reasons.

No. The PRC wants peaceful reunification. Also, they simply will not allow Taiwan to become riddled with US military bases and become a de fact US staging ground (sound familiar?). Taiwan does not "want to be acknowledged and left alone", poll after poll shows that people want the status quo, which is also what Beijing wants.

It's America who is trying to break the status quo with repeated provocations designed to undermine the OCP.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 30 2022 01:31am)
3. China's military spending increased by a much larger percentage than US or NATO military spending over the past 10-15 years. They are very clearly playing catch up and strive for their military to become America's match.

China spends 1% of their GDP on the military, the USA spends 3%.

Now, I may not be a mathemagician, but it sure seems like China is spending much, much less than America! Can some math genius help me out here?

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 30 2022 01:31am)
4. I never claimed that the United States were a "peaceful" nation. ;) Kusostare, on the other hand, disputed my notion that China is not as peaceful as they might look at first glance.

Reading Western media about enemy states isn't a "glance" of any sort, first or otherwise. You're so deep in a hole of lies that you can't imagine what reality actually is.

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Sep 30 2022 05:40pm
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