Quote (fender @ May 25 2022 11:10am)

does it not bother you how hollow and easily debunked your talking points are? you claim that america's rejection of science is somehow indicative of your love of "freedom from government", yet on the other hand you have some of the most comprehensive laws to surveil and restrict individual freedoms and private affairs in western culture. you have a police force that brutalises and violates you without much accountability, you have the largest prison population in the history of mankind, you have corporations that own your politicians and pay them to prevent any legislation that would protect citizens against exploitation. your alleged "freedoms" are a myth. you get guns as a distraction, cultural wars to keep your attention away from the oppression you suffer, you're made to hate and fight your fellow citizen over bullshit superficial distinctions, and you're too ignorant to realise that. meanwhile your children keep dying because you were successfully brainwashed with jingoism, bigotry, and religious zealotry.

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right wing covidiots rejecting science is not a sign of "freedom", but one of morons choosing partisan political narratives over common sense. if anything it's a demonstration of how easily americans are manipulated into hurting themselves and each other if just ONE person decides it's politically expedient. "freedom", lol...

Quote (Sixers @ 25 May 2022 17:07)

School shootings account for fewer than 1% of all gun related homicides in America each year.

Yet that's the only thing that gets people like you to talk about it, or care about it. It's literally just the small tip of the iceberg to the gun issue, but the media will never tell you that until a school gets shot up then all of a sudden everyone cares about guns again.

Quote (Sixers @ 25 May 2022 23:07)

School shootings account for fewer than 1% of all gun related homicides in America each year.

Yet that's the only thing that gets people like you to talk about it, or care about it. It's literally just the small tip of the iceberg to the gun issue, but the media will never tell you that until a school gets shot up then all of a sudden everyone cares about guns again.

Quote (ferdia @ 25 May 2022 22:49)

Ultimately alot of americans, and american politicians, like guns and the NRA. Therefore there should be no change in laws envisaged following this incident.

Quote (fender @ 25 May 2022 17:21)

factually wrong. gun suicides, gun accidents, gun crime are also largely preventable tragedies, all exacerbated by america's gun obsession. just because YOU are willing to accept dead kids as a price on top of that, just because YOU are dishonestly trying to suggest that because it's just a small part in a whole swamp of gun-related problems, and therefore it should be ignored entirely, does not mean the argument for addressing the gun issue is therefore invalid. it's one of those intellectually lazy NRA talking points that completely crumbles if you think for more than 2 seconds about it...

imagine guns being the leading cause of deaths amongst children, and you're trying to downplay the issue, lol.



is that your opinion? if so, can you elaborate? what does "no change" mean? none whatsoever or just none touching the principle right to bear arms? what do you mean by "alot [sic]"? a majority? a few million? you know there have been countless polls that have shown the desire for stricter gun laws across party lines, right? if "a lot of americans" did NOT like guns and the NRA, let's say a solid majority, would that change your opinion?

Quote (fender @ May 25 2022 05:21pm)

factually wrong. gun suicides, gun accidents, and gun crime are also largely preventable tragedies, all exacerbated by america's gun obsession. just because YOU are willing to accept dead kids as a price on top of that, just because YOU are dishonestly trying to suggest that because it's only a part of all gun-related problems, it can be ignored entirely, does not mean the argument in favour of addressing the gun issue is therefore invalid. it's one of those intellectually lazy NRA talking points that completely crumbles if you think for more than 2 seconds about it...

imagine guns being the leading cause of deaths amongst children, and you're trying to downplay the issue, lol.

Quote (Sixers @ 25 May 2022 23:28)

Imagine using guns being the leading cause of death in children overtaking car accidents, in a year where the economy was essentially shut down during a global pandemic and murder overall increased dramatically that year?

And acting like that's such a surprise? Reaching for the stars here pal. The vast majority of those children were over 14, many of them gang bangin in the streets with guess what? That's right, illegally owned guns.

Address the gun issue, but please have actual ideas and stop being one of those people that just talk to make noise.

Quote (TiStuff @ May 25 2022 08:19am)

are you familiar with strawman fallacy?

Quote (fender @ May 25 2022 05:32pm)

can you not read?gun suicides, gun accidents, and gun crime are also largely preventable tragedies, all exacerbated by america's gun obsession. just because YOU are willing to accept dead kids as a price on top of that, just because YOU are dishonestly trying to suggest that because it's only a part of all gun-related problems, it can be ignored entirely, does not mean the argument in favour of addressing the gun issue is therefore invalid. it's one of those intellectually lazy NRA talking points that completely crumbles if you think for more than 2 seconds about it...

Quote (bogie160 @ May 25 2022 03:59pm)

Yes, a random non-profit posts arbitrary scores based on a hidden, yet incontrovertibly robust methodology. Roll credits. No, I'm just kidding, defend their free speech scoring system and substantiate with examples.

Abortion is an issue of competing rights. Any restriction on the mother naturally results in greater protection for the unborn child.

Quote (Sixers @ 25 May 2022 23:38)

Again, you're just talking to make noise. Literally not giving a solution, not giving any ideas, just GUNZ R BAD GUYZ and saying this is all preventable lol....

I'll say it again since you brought that year up....in 2020 there were a total of 10 kids killed in school shootings. The majority of the kids killed by guns that year were on the streets, mostly inner city and part of gangs with firearms illegally owned.

Come up with an idea outside of pointing out Americas gun obsession. Creating additional gun laws is going to do what exactly? 400+ Million firearms in the U.S, what's the solution? Take them off the streets? Make them illegal? Right, and who's giving up their firearms when you've got every criminal on the street walking around with easy access to illegally purchasing a gun whenever they want. Some of the biggest cities in America have the strictest gun laws and it doesn't stop shit, because they have the highest gun crime rates.....