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#231
Oct 4 2019 12:19pm
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Wasn't the whole point of the 14th amendment was because a previous supreme court ruling decided that slaves are not citizens? And 14th amendment created framework that gave slaves citizenship?

And children of immigrants born here just happen to fit the guidelines as well?

If you're born in the US and then you grow up in the US. What are you then? Do we really want to have the policy that morally we are going to send people to countries they weren't born in and then didn't even grow up in and in some cases don't even speak the language of the country their parents grew up in?

This is a nuanced and tricky topic. Which seems to me, 3/5ths compromise has to be made.

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Oct 4 2019 12:23pm
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wow :)
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Oct 4 2019 12:26pm
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wow :)


fixed that for me
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#234
Oct 4 2019 12:59pm
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Anchor babies and their parents aren't members of our society. They would be if they went through proper channels and immigrated legally. Doing it legally carries the emphasis that this person is declaring their intent to become a member of our society.



You should be forced to do exactly what you are proposing they do in order to attain citizenship. Being popped from your mother's vagina onto American soil isn't good enough. Prove that you belong here.
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Oct 4 2019 01:06pm
Quote (Santara @ Oct 4 2019 11:02am)
If they sneak in and squat, how exactly are they suddenly members of our society?


By living working and starting families. Duh.

If "not a citizen of somewhere else" was meant to be the requirement then the author failed spectacularly at conveying that message.
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Oct 4 2019 01:10pm
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Oct 4 2019 05:56pm
Quote (Skinned @ Oct 4 2019 12:51pm)
Aside from being born here and under the laws what other condition is there?

It doesn't even say you can't be a citizen of elsewhere.

Dual citizenship is a thing.


Everyone is under the law. Not everyone born here is an American subject.

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You should be forced to do exactly what you are proposing they do in order to attain citizenship. Being popped from your mother's vagina onto American soil isn't good enough. Prove that you belong here.


My ancestors immigrated legally, took oaths to that effect, and even (when the times required it) fought for it. I also put myself on the line for my fellow countrymen, and have taken an oath that to this day has no expiration: I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic, bearing true faith and allegiance to the same.

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By living working and starting families. Duh.

If "not a citizen of somewhere else" was meant to be the requirement then the author failed spectacularly at conveying that message.


But you are a citizen of somewhere else if your parents are citizens of somewhere else and made no effort to become citizens in their new homeland.
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#238
Oct 4 2019 06:00pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ Oct 4 2019 12:10pm)
https://i.imgflip.com/3ceh5c.jpg


There is a very obvious difference between someone who has family that has been here since the 1740s and some piece of third world filth some brown illiterate pushed out after some rapist coyote dumped her out of the bed of a pickup truck. It's fucking laughable bro and you know it. "My mom went into labor while on vacation in the States! That makes me more of an American than you!" And you're smart enough to know this rhetoric is tailored to undermine national identity to eliminate barriers and drive down wages.
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Oct 4 2019 07:06pm
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There is a very obvious difference between someone who has family that has been here since the 1740s and some piece of third world filth some brown illiterate pushed out after some rapist coyote dumped her out of the bed of a pickup truck. It's fucking laughable bro and you know it. "My mom went into labor while on vacation in the States! That makes me more of an American than you!" And you're smart enough to know this rhetoric is tailored to undermine national identity to eliminate barriers and drive down wages.


My family has been here since the 1500s, newfag.
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#240
Oct 4 2019 08:31pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ Oct 4 2019 09:06pm)
My family has been here since the 1500s, newfag.


Thats not what the wikipedia says

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Despite their name, they are believed to have been introduced to America and the New World only from the 17th century AD onwards as a result of human commercial patterns, including the Atlantic Slave Trade

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cockroach
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