Quote (IceMage @ 31 Aug 2019 01:24)
A constant theme in my mind is how Trump supporters would react if the same circumstances existed but Hillary were the president. Let's pretend the FBI is investigating the Clinton campaign, and she knows it.
Hillary had gotten into office and had a private dinner with Comey(which is inappropriate already) and asked him to basically pledge loyalty. And then later Hillary's National Security Adviser gets dismissed because it was revealed he lied to the administration and FBI about a serious matter, and she talks to Comey alone in the Oval Office, and urges him to let her former NSA off the hook because "he's a good guy".
Comey writes memos about these interactions, because he finds them so strange. It turns out other people in government wrote memos after suspect interactions with Hillary or her associates, because they were clearly strange and inappropriate. Comey gets fired without notice, and these memos he wrote are still with him at home. He decides that the behavior of President Hillary Clinton is so troubling, especially because her campaign is being investigated and she's shown in multiple instances to be obsessed with it, that he gives a memo(or two?) to a friend to give to the NYT. Again, the memos show a clearly paranoid, corrupt president who is trying to interfere in an investigation.
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I can't imagine any Trump supporter here in that situation calling for Comey to be locked up because the IG considered his memos "FBI work product" and a few words were retroactively classified. Cultists are focusing on some FBI technicality while ignoring the context of what was happening. Which was a corrupt president trying to put his thumb on the scale of justice while his family and associates were being investigated.
You make it sound like Comey was an apolitical actor with innocent motives who happened to learn after the conversations with the "corrupt" president that others from his community were good citizens just like him and shared his innocuous concern and sense of civic duties in the face of unspeakable evil and corruption.
The reality was best described by Goom:
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=81787808&f=119&p=549626525Quote (Goomshill)
Look at the amount of effort Comey/Baker/McCabe/etc put into trying to entrap Trump. They wanted to ambush him and find something to use against, trying to get trap him like they did with Michael Flynn. It was an aggressive and prosecutorial attempt to take down Trump with fangs bared, at a time when Comey was supposed to be serving the outgoing and incoming administrations and no investigation of Trump was supposed to be ongoing. They set up the entire encounter and had a ridiculous spy-thriller-wannabe setup with a laptop in a moving vehicle so Comey could make an immediate 302 for muh impeachment.
This should dispel any pretense that Comey was an apolitical, nonpartisan consummate professional. He was a snake, and his goal from day 1 was to take down Trump.
The IG report leaves no doubt that Comey, McCabe and others were biased, political actors from the get go. What was happening was not, as you put it, "a corrupt president trying to put his thumb on the scale of justice". What was really happening is that a group of disloyal, politically biased members of the intelligence community tried to tip the scales of democracy. They tried to "politically snipe" the president without having nearly enough evidence to justify such a drastic step. It was a shitty attempt at pulling off some sort of coup. And as it turned out in the end, this president might be a somewhat corrupt and shady figure, but he was never compromised by foreign powers.
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Hillary had gotten into office and had a private dinner with Comey(which is inappropriate already) and asked him to basically pledge loyalty. And then later Hillary's National Security Adviser gets dismissed because it was revealed he lied to the administration and FBI about a serious matter, and she talks to Comey alone in the Oval Office, and urges him to let her former NSA off the hook because "he's a good guy".
Trump is a president who quite cleary was not well versed in the protocols/proper handling of such delicate issues; someone who was used to being the unchecked decider of his own little empire; someone who's unfamiliar with the separation of powers and not even realizing how inappropriate some of the things he was saying to Comey actually were. Hillary, on the other hand, is an experienced, shrewd career politician. There is simply more reason to give Trump the benefit of the doubt when it comes to "rookie mistakes" like these.
Would it really have been too much to ask of Comey, after Trump was probing him about Flynn, to say something like: "I'm sorry mister President, but that's not possible. I understand your loyalty to your former confidant and that you want to help him, but please understand that Flynn is a suspect accused of a very serious crime that we cannot possibly ignore. Please also understand that it is not usual for the President, as the head of the Administration, to personally interfere in FBI investigations. Despite good intentions, such behavior is a violation of the separation of powers and could easily get you in hot water with Congress or the media."
Instead, Comey apparently assumed that Trump was some sort of Manchurian candidate, a puppet of Putin compromised by a piss hooker video, and acted like a poor man's James Bond during his futile attempts at setting Trump up.
This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 30 2019 07:27pm
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