It matters as to who can be considered the main victims of Nazi exterminations. If only 3 million Jews were killed then that would mean the Jewish victims of the 'holocaust' would be utterly eclipsed by that of Soviet civilians, whose losses already equal and probably exceed that of Jews. This would diminish the narrative that the Holocaust and thus the European portion of WW2 was all about Jews. It wasn't... of course educated people know that. But you chaps do like to pretend it's all about you don't you? It helps to protect you from criticism. In Israel/Palestine or in your barbaric, insular and nepotistic practices elsewhere.

Criticising Jews or the Jewish state instantly has people drawing comparisons to the Nazis. But if the holocaust (A jewish name for the genocide of approximately 6 million Jews, 6.5 million Soviet civilians, 3 million Soviet POWs and about 4 million other people) is not all about Jews then that protection is weakened.

What happened to the Jews during WW2 is sickening, horrifying and awful but the way in which that has been used by the state of Israel particularly is nauseating, repulsive and abhorrent.

This post was edited by Scaly on Sep 5 2017 06:10pm

Whether it's 6 or 3 millions, the Jews are only a fraction of the total deaths as you pointed out. What's significant about it (and what shocked the world) is the systematic manner in which Jews were targeted and killed in these camps. The holocaust (which by the way is an Ancient Greek word, the Hebrew word for it is the Shoah) was industrialized murder, the first time the industrial revolution was applied to genocide, resulting in efficient death factories.



You sure you don't need some more adjectives?

So if it was only a fraction of the deaths then you would agree it was exaggerated to over shadow other deaths and events?

Idk maybe I should stfu and just go with it

This post was edited by aaron9999 on Sep 10 2017 06:55pm

Two Things

Unless you are going to put up some analysis that is more thorough than current academic publications we have no need to listen. It's inefficient to consider any random person's opinion when there are experts in the field readily available.

What does it matter if the number was four million or six million? There were other groups which bring the number to well over twenty million, so we're really just nitpicking. No matter how you slice the numbers the holocaust was far worse than anything the allies did. So who cares? One side committed the atrocities because they were at war, the other side started far before military conflict arose and had a systematic plan to exterminate groups in their entirety. So who cares? It's still apples and oranges.

you forget about the ussr?

Correct. The planned genocide of several races/sexual orientations/mentally challenged groups is far, far worse than anything the allies did. The worst thing I can think of to compare is the Japanese internment camps, and even then the living conditions were acceptable. Not great, but there was food, water, and shelter. No human experimentation or mass killings.

I typically don't count the USSR when I talk about the allies since they kinda did their own thing separate of the main allied forces. But I do agree, Stalin was a very, VERY evil motherfucker. Let his own brother rot in prison, personally ordered the murder of countless of his own people /e (accidentally hit post) and much, much more.

This post was edited by BMNation on Sep 10 2017 10:24pm

?? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

Mate I'm talking about the U.S. internment camps after Pearl Harbor. Sorry for the confusion

oh, FDR's camps