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Oct 8 2023 12:46pm
Quote (Malopox @ Oct 8 2023 03:43pm)
The prospect of resettling millions is unprecedented and unrealistic in my opinion.


Well, isn't that how Israel was formed? Would take awhile for sure but the Arabs would probably chill out once the planes started leaving and they were given control of the country. They would probably allow some to stay as well.

You would of course have to provide protection for the Jewish people from the native Britons as they might be upset by all of this but that shouldn't be too hard, they aren't a particularly well armed populace.

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Oct 8 2023 12:50pm
Quote (NiRo_O @ 8 Oct 2023 05:58)
Really heartless operation by Hamas, aiming citizen, children and innocent people.

They will certainly regret these actions…
And this time, don’t preach us about tolerance…


yep you will do the exact same to them or worse and tell urself it
was the rightest thing since they "started" it right?

this is exactly why wars continue / exist

ye good job 🫣

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Oct 8 2023 12:52pm
https://twitter.com/elintnews/status/1711089910755549676

Search and rescue is reported completed at the nova music festival grounds. 260 bodies recovered, not including those carried back to Gaza and those kidnapped alive. Thats just the one field, total death toll 700+
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Oct 8 2023 12:52pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Oct 7 2023 11:45pm)
I would say he is more on the neutral side. Anyways, you serve in IDF?
Our military was build by the IDF.


yes. more than a decade ago.

Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 8 2023 07:57pm)
What does a long term solution look like? There cannot be a two state solution after this, obviously. Gazans can't be expelled, where would they go? Cant fit 2 million in the Sinai. I think the DMZ is the logical outcome. Maybe the transfer of utility responsibilities to egypt and palestinians. That can work for Gaza, not the west bank


realistically a long term solution is dealing with Iran. short to medium term solutions are power strikes. the more devastation and the more the targets are strategic to Hamas\Jihad the longer it will be quiet till the next cycle\conflict ahead.

Egypt best decision in the past ( and they insist to this day ) is not to take Gaza or even deal with Gaza. on other words - it's an Israeli problem. their smartest move ever.

a transfer to some rich "modern" country with options for the Palestinians on the long term is possible, only if Saudi Arabia for example will by some miracle would take them. one of the main reasons Hamas acted with the brutal invasion in this timing
is the Israel-Saudi Arabia potential agreements. in theory if this will take place in the future and those agreements will be valid and expanded, Israel can ask for Saudi Arabia to reflect on transfering Palestinians over there.
second problem: Hamas ( and i get it ) will not allow it. he will kill his own people before allowing a mass transfer.
third problem: in theory - it is possible that no one will ever want to take the Palestinians since they see only trouble coming from taking them.

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holy.. you are using reporters "opinion pieces" (such as your second link) from haaretz and talking to me about Amira Hass who is one of the most leftist reporters on the planet ?

my definition is simple, look it in a regular, simply dictionary. not by some reporters who will always write Israel down as the devil himself as their own personal agenda.

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Oct 8 2023 12:57pm
Quote (darksoho @ 9 Oct 2023 02:52)
yes. more than a decade ago.


Singapore military here. 1999 to 2021

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Oct 8 2023 12:57pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 8 Oct 2023 20:46)
Well, isn't that how Israel was formed? Would take awhile for sure but the Arabs would probably chill out once the planes started leaving and they were given control of the country. They would probably allow some to stay as well.

You would of course have to provide protection for the Jewish people from the native Britons as they might be upset by all of this but that shouldn't be too hard, they aren't a particularly well armed populace.


Yes in a way that's how Israel started, but not on the same scale and with people "willingly returning to the holy land" from all around the world. There were couple hundred thousand per year migration at best after 1948.

This - is different. This is an attempt to move millions of often unwilling citizens that will become essentially stateless and might not speak the language of the host country. I only see this succeeding if the world truly unites as a whole.

What will happen now instead is the perpetuation of the endless cycle of violence. HAMAS has murdered innocent civilians. Justly outraged IDF will now drop JDAMs indiscriminately on Gaza killing fathers, mothers, sons and daughters. Oprhans that survive the bombing, the ensuing poverty and hunger will grow up with the sole focus of learning to shoot kalashnikov, becoming a martyr and taking as many israelis with them as they can. To which IDF will retaliate again murdering another batch of fathers, mothers, sons and daughters perpetuating the cycle.

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Oct 8 2023 01:03pm
My idf friend aviva says the plan is scorched earth.
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Oct 8 2023 01:09pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 8 2023 11:52am)
https://twitter.com/elintnews/status/1711089910755549676

Search and rescue is reported completed at the nova music festival grounds. 260 bodies recovered, not including those carried back to Gaza and those kidnapped alive. Thats just the one field, total death toll 700+


I heard it was largely a psytrance festival, so many people there were on psychedelics. Such a massacre is horrible, but to think that there were many people who were tripping at the time is especially horrific.
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Oct 8 2023 01:16pm
The latest generation of Hamas just f'd around and is about to find out.
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Oct 8 2023 01:18pm
Quote (Malopox @ Oct 8 2023 03:57pm)
Yes in a way that's how Israel started, but not on the same scale and with people "willingly returning to the holy land" from all around the world. There were couple hundred thousand per year migration at best after 1948.

This - is different. This is an attempt to move millions of often unwilling citizens that will become essentially stateless and might not speak the language of the host country. I only see this succeeding if the world truly unites as a whole.

What will happen now instead is the perpetuation of the endless cycle of violence. HAMAS has murdered innocent civilians. Justly outraged IDF will now drop JDAMs indiscriminately on Gaza killing fathers, mothers, sons and daughters. Oprhans that survive the bombing, the ensuing poverty and hunger will grow up with the sole focus of learning to shoot kalashnikov, becoming a martyr and taking as many israelis with them as they can. To which IDF will retaliate again murdering another batch of fathers, mothers, sons and daughters perpetuating the cycle.


I meant give the Israelis control of everything in Britain, they might keep some English for basic labor positions of course but the idea would be to essentially just hand over the keys and have it become the new Jewish state, not an autonomous zone of the UK. I don't think speaking the language would matter too much, though maybe the UN could sponsor some classes for the English to learn Hebrew to help integrate them.

The numbers are definitely much higher but what is the purpose of the international community if not to come together in pursuit of the common good? I'm sure many outside the international community would even be willing to help with such a monumental task, I bet even cranky ol' Iran would come out of its shell and lend a few bucks to the cause.

But yes, none of that will actually happen and the cycle of violence will go on, though maybe not in the same way as before considering the statements of some countries.

This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Oct 8 2023 01:22pm
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