Quote (Thor123422 @ May 16 2017 09:50pm)

Ooh, let's look at the 4% growth rate in sweden.

Quote (Thor123422 @ May 16 2017 02:50pm)

Ooh, let's look at the 4% growth rate in sweden.

Quote (Voyaging @ May 16 2017 04:38pm)

But that doesn't fit his model so it must be thrown out.

Quote (cambovenzi @ May 16 2017 01:28pm)

i dont have time to be en economics teacher today.

Look up the effects of price controls and nationalization in Venezuela.
Look up the years of stagnation and high unemployment in france, and the reasons why the socialists were laughed out of power in a country filled with hyper-leftists. (Hollande stifled the recovery with higher taxes and drove away very successful people by the thousands)
Look up the out of control spending in Greece.
Look up the restrictive labor regulations in all of these countries.


Its easy to throw up your hands and blame it all on corruption every time a socialistic big government fails and flattens an economy, its just not accurate.

Quote (Skinned @ May 16 2017 06:21pm)

Imagine that all these socialist countries are struggling, while no laissez faire system has ever successfully done anything like run a government or enact a real national budget.

You can say what you want about it, no viable alternatives have been presented.

Unless you want to provide some great counter-examples? I would like to hear of a nation that is and had been successful with no collective measures.

Quote (cambovenzi @ May 16 2017 05:30pm)

"laissez faire" capitalism has been wildly successful, especially in comparison to strict governmental control. You have it completely backwards as usual.

Quote (Skinned @ May 16 2017 06:48pm)

Then you should have a plethora of strong counter examples countering the successful social-democracy states that have been mentioned like the Nordic and European states etc. Because even Greece, when it was a failed state, had a higher GDP per capital than Russia, and definitely more than the anarchic nations out there.

Looking forward to your counter examples of the times laissez faire kicked ass!

Quote (cambovenzi @ May 16 2017 04:48pm)

Its neither a socialist country or a country we were talking about.

'butttt what about sweden! they had one year of good growth! AHAH! GOT EEEM!' is not a valid response to pointing out the flaws in the other three countries that were being falsely attributed to corruption.

There are a plethora of works debunking the myth of Scandinavian socialism.
As gastly noted they have a very liberal economy, in the traditional sense of the word.

Quote (Voyaging @ May 16 2017 06:13pm)

If you're referring to strict socialism then sure.

I don't think most of the leftists here identify as socialists so idk that it's really a point to argue (can't speak for everyone).

Most of them just want universal healthcare and environmental oversight and such, not arbitrary restrictions on the free market. I think free market economies and free trade are great.

Quote (cambovenzi @ 16 May 2017 23:56)

Economic freedom wildly correlates with economic success.t